Collection of Subspaces of a Vector Space

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem concerning the properties of subspaces in a \(K\)-vector space \(V\) and the implications of certain distributive laws on the dimension of \(V\). Participants explore theoretical aspects of linear algebra, particularly focusing on the conditions under which the dimension of the vector space can be shown to be less than or equal to 1.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof attempting to show that if either distributive law holds, then \(\mbox{dim}_{K}V \leq 1\), using specific examples of subspaces.
  • Another participant identifies flaws in the proof, questioning the assumptions about the distinctness and linear independence of chosen vectors \(v_1\) and \(v_2\), and the validity of the dimension calculations.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the assumption that intersections of subspaces are trivial, particularly in cases where the dimension of \(V\) is 1.
  • A later reply suggests that the proof should consider cases where \(V\) is a field, emphasizing the need to demonstrate that if \(\text{dim}_K(V) \leq 1\), there is nothing to prove, and to derive contradictions from assuming \(\text{dim}_K(V) \geq 2\).
  • Participants discuss the implications of the axiom of choice in the context of infinite-dimensional spaces and the necessity of ensuring that the proof addresses all potential cases, including the 1-dimensional scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial proof's assumptions and calculations. There is no consensus on the validity of the proof, and multiple competing views on how to approach the problem remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the proof regarding assumptions about vector independence and the nature of subspaces, as well as the implications of dimension in various cases, including finite and infinite-dimensional spaces.

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Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question I am struggling with recently. Hope you can give me some hints or ideas on how to solve this.

Question:

If the collection of subspaces of the \(K\)-vector space \(V\) satisfies either distributive law \(A+(B\cap C)=(A+B)\cap (A+C)\) or \(A\cap (B+C)=(A\cap B)+(A\cap C)\), show that \(\mbox{dim}_{k}V\leq 1\).
 
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I think I have a solution. It would be nice if somebody could confirm its correctness. :)

It is trivial that \(\mbox{dim}_{K}V=0\) when \(V=\left\{0\right\}\). Take any two elements \(v_1\mbox{ and }v_2\in V\). Then consider the subspaces spanned by these elements. Let, \(A=<v_1+v_2>,\, B=<v_1>,\,C=<v_2>\)

Let us check whether these subspaces satisfy the first distributive law,

\[A+(B\cap C)=A\Rightarrow \mbox{dim}(A+(B\cap C))=1\]

and (note that all the pairwise intersections of these subspaces are trivial),

\begin{eqnarray}

\mbox{dim}\left[(A+B)\cap (A+C)\right]&=&\mbox{dim}(A+B)+\mbox{dim}(A+C)-\mbox{dim}(A+B+C)\\

&=&\mbox{dim}(A+B)+\mbox{dim}(A+C)-\mbox{dim}(B+C)\\

&=&\mbox{dim}(A)+\mbox{dim}(B)+\mbox{dim}(A)+\mbox{dim}(C)-\left(\mbox{dim}(B)+\mbox{dim}(C)\right)\\

\therefore \mbox{dim}\left[(A+B)\cap (A+C)\right]&=& 2

\end{eqnarray}

Hence these particular subspaces do not satisfy the first distributive law. Then they should satisfy the second distributive law.

\[A\cap(B+C)=A\]

and,

\[(A\cap B)+(A\cap C)=\{0\}\]

Therefore, \(A=\{0\}\) and this implies, \(v_1=-v_2\). Since we have chosen \(v_1\mbox{ and }v_2\) to be arbitrary elements this means that \(V\) is generated by one element. That is, \(\mbox{dim}_{K}V=1\).

\[\therefore \mbox{dim}_{K}V\leq 1\]
 
There are a couple of problems with your proof:

1. There is no guarantee $v_1,v_2$ are distinct, non-zero, or linearly independent. For example, if $V = F_2$, there is only one non-zero vector.

2. I fail to see how you can assume the intersection of your 3 spaces is pairwise trivial. This certainly is NOT true if $\text{dim}_{K}(V) = 1$ and $v_1,v_2$ are non-zero.

3. Your argument that:

$\text{dim}[(A+B)\cap(A+C)] = 2$ seems severely flawed, and seems to rest on the assumption that $V$ is of dimension at least 2, with 2 linearly independent vectors $v_1,v_2$.

A similar problem exists with asserting that:

$(A \cap B) + (A \cap C) = \{0\}$.

If your conclusion (that $V$ is of dimension 1 or less) is indeed true, that will not be the case, unless both of $v_1,v_2$ are 0.
 
Deveno said:
There are a couple of problems with your proof:

1. There is no guarantee $v_1,v_2$ are distinct, non-zero, or linearly independent. For example, if $V = F_2$, there is only one non-zero vector.

2. I fail to see how you can assume the intersection of your 3 spaces is pairwise trivial. This certainly is NOT true if $\text{dim}_{K}(V) = 1$ and $v_1,v_2$ are non-zero.

3. Your argument that:

$\text{dim}[(A+B)\cap(A+C)] = 2$ seems severely flawed, and seems to rest on the assumption that $V$ is of dimension at least 2, with 2 linearly independent vectors $v_1,v_2$.

A similar problem exists with asserting that:

$(A \cap B) + (A \cap C) = \{0\}$.

If your conclusion (that $V$ is of dimension 1 or less) is indeed true, that will not be the case, unless both of $v_1,v_2$ are 0.

Thank you so much for pointing out the flaws in my proof. Let me explain how I thought about it.

Yes, I basically assumed that \(V\) contains at least two distinct, non-zero, linearly independent elements. If \(V\) contains only the element \(0\) then it's dimension is obviously zero. If \(V\) contains just two elements as you suggested (0 and another non-zero element), it's dimension would be one. These are trivial cases and we know that the inequality is satisfied in all these cases. So I just wrote the line "It is trivial that \(\mbox{dim}_{K}V=0\) when \(V=\{0\}\)" to put these details under the carpet. :o
 
My point is, $V$ could be a field, in which case we cannot pick 2 linearly independent vectors at all. This is NOT the same as saying $V = \{0\}$.

In fact, we might have that $V$ is the smallest field possible, the galois field of order 2, in which case $V$ contains only ONE non-zero element (and $V \neq \{0\})$, which turns out to be its multiplicative identity.

What I think you need to do, is show that if $\text{dim}_K(V) \leq 1$, there is nothing to prove. Then, by way of forcing a contradiction, assume that one of the distributive laws holds, and show that if this holds, and $\text{dim}_K(V) \geq 2$, we have a contradiction to a certain (linearly independent) choice of $v_1,v_2$.

Pay CAREFUL ATTENTION to the case $\text{dim}_K(V) = 2$.

In this case, what you need to do is show that:

$\langle v_1,v_2\rangle = \langle v_1+v_2,v_1\rangle = \langle v_1+v_2,v_2\rangle$.

This is what will allow you to get specific values for the dimensions of the subspaces you want.

If $V$ were assumed finite-dimensional, you could without loss of generality, take $V$ to be:

$K^{\text{dim}_K(V)}$ and choose $v_1 = e_1$, $v_2 = e_2$.

But generally, using the axiom of choice, we could take some basis of $V$ (we actually NEED the axiom of choice to assume we HAVE a basis, this is something of a subtle point for infinite-dimensional spaces), and pick any two distinct basis elements. If $V$ is not finite-dimensional, it might be better to argue that $V$ must have at least 2 linearly independent elements (or else $V$ only has dimension 1, and we have nothing to prove, as indicated above). This avoids having to invoke the axiom of choice, which is rather like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly, for this particular problem.

The "heart" of your proof DOES work, but you left a "hole" for the 1-dimensional case, and proofs shouldn't HAVE holes.
 

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