Collision theory and haber's reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the collision theory as it applies to the Haber reaction (N2 + 3H2 -> 2NH3) and the reaction of nitrogen monoxide (2NO + O2 -> 2NO2). Participants explore the mechanisms of these reactions, particularly in relation to the role of catalysts and the nature of molecular collisions.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether one nitrogen molecule must collide with three hydrogen molecules or if three nitrogen molecules must collide with three hydrogen molecules to facilitate the reaction.
  • Another participant describes the Haber reaction as occurring on the surface of a catalyst, involving a complex series of partial reactions including adsorption, dissociation, diffusion, and desorption.
  • A subsequent post reiterates the complexity of the Haber reaction and introduces the reaction of nitrogen monoxide with oxygen, suggesting it also likely involves multiple steps.
  • Participants propose that the reaction of 2NO with O2 may proceed through intermediate steps, such as the formation of NO2 and the involvement of oxygen atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of molecular collisions required for the reactions, and while some agree on the complexity of the processes involved, there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or steps for either reaction.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of collision theory and reaction mechanisms, as well as the assumptions about the role of catalysts and intermediates, which remain unresolved.

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N2 + 3H2 -----> 2NH3,

For this reaction to occur does one nitrogen have to collide with 3 hydrogen molecules, or should 3 nitrogen molecules collide with 3 hydrogen molecules to break up the bonds? I just brought up this example because of it's stoichiometry not for any other reason. Thanks in advance.
 
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This reaction happens at the surface of some catalyst and is only the net result of some complex series of partial reactions, e.g. adsorption of N2 and H2, dissociation of H2 with the formation of some bonds between the catalyst and H, diffusion of H on the surface, formation of compounds like HN2 forming a complex with the catalyst, addition of further hydrogens, breaking of the N-N bond in some stage, and finally desorption.
 
DrDu said:
This reaction happens at the surface of some catalyst and is only the net result of some complex series of partial reactions, e.g. adsorption of N2 and H2, dissociation of H2 with the formation of some bonds between the catalyst and H, diffusion of H on the surface, formation of compounds like HN2 forming a complex with the catalyst, addition of further hydrogens, breaking of the N-N bond in some stage, and finally desorption.
What about 2NO + O2 -------> 2NO2
 
ElmorshedyDr said:
What about 2NO + O2 -------> 2NO2

It is probably also a multi step reaction, e.g., NO+ O2---> NO2+O,
NO+O---> NO2
 

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