Combined system state as product of states

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around expressing the combined system state of angular momentum in terms of the product of individual states, specifically for the case of j=5/2 and m=5/2. Participants explore the use of Clebsch-Gordon coefficients and the notation involved in representing these states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the combined state |5/2, 5/2> can be expressed using states |3/2, 3/2> and |1, 1>, indicating a potential use of Clebsch-Gordon coefficients.
  • Another participant proposes that a spin 3/2 state combined with a spin 1/2 state could also yield the same combined state, noting that if M equals the sum of the maximum m values of the two spins, a straightforward product of the states at their maximum m can be used.
  • There is confusion expressed by a participant regarding the notation and how to correctly write the combined state, with suggestions of different forms of representation being discussed.
  • One participant mentions a rule that if J equals M and M is the sum of the maximum m values, a straightforward product of the states can be used, and this rule can also apply when considering minimum m values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct notation and representation of the combined state, indicating that there is no consensus on the best way to express the product of states.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the notation for expressing combined states and the conditions under which certain rules apply, particularly concerning maximum and minimum m values.

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Hey,

I have to express the combined system state of j=5/2, m=5/2 in terms of the products of states j1,m1 and j2,m2.

[tex]\mid j,m> =\mid\frac{5}{2},\frac{5}{2}>\: ,\: |j_1,m_1> \& |j_2,m_2>[/tex]

I know that one way of achieving this is for j1=3/2 and j2=1 but I'm not sure how to express this - I think this is involving Clebsch-Gordon coefficients.

Thanks guys,
SK
 
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Just from inspecting your J and M, it seems clear a (spin 3/2 with max m=3/2) and a (spin 1/2 with max m=1/2) would combine to that state. As a rule, if your M happens to be the sum of two particular spins' max m, then you have a straightforward product of the states at their max m.
 
I suppose I'm confused in how I could write that the 5/2, 5/2 state was the same as 3/2, 3/2 and a 1,1.

Would this simply be: [tex]|\frac{5}{2},\frac{5}{2}>=|\frac{3}{2},\frac{3}{2}>|1,1>[/tex]

I'm not really sure what is meant by the product of two states - what notation would be used.
 
or

[tex]|\frac{5}{2},\frac{5}{2}>=|\frac{3}{2},\frac{3}{2},1,1>[/tex]
 
I've always used the first one, myself. Not sure about the second.
 
Right cool, I thought so to but I'm just a bit confused with my notes - I have two very similar way of writing it. Cheers.
 
Also, I should add another condition to my rule above.

As a rule, if your M happens to be the sum of two particular spins' max m and J=M, then you have a straightforward product of the states at their max m. This holds true if you replace instances of "max" with min" in the previous sentence.
 
Indeed, this makes sense. Thanks for the help DocZaius!
 

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