Combining Equations: How to Combine Fc=mv²/r and Fg=qvb?

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This discussion focuses on the mathematical process of combining the equations Fc = mv²/r and Fg = qvb to solve for mass (m). Participants clarify the need to rearrange the second equation to express velocity (v) in terms of force (F) and charge (q). The correct substitution leads to the equation m = Fcr * (qB/Fg)², emphasizing the importance of maintaining proper notation, including the squaring of variables. The final solution is confirmed with the correct placement of parentheses.

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How do I combine these two equations?

Fc=mv(squared)/r
Fg=qvb
 
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You need to make an effort yourself, and furthermore, defined your symbols. For example, on the LHS of each equation, you have Fc and Fg, respectively. Are these Fxc and Fxg, or are they different variables Fc and Fg?
 
It is with the smaller c and g.
 
Well, in that case, can you rearrange the second equation to get it into the form v=... ?
 
Yeah, it would be v=f/qB...
 
...also I'm trying to combine the two equations to find m, which is mass.
 
music_lover12 said:
Yeah, it would be v=f/qB...
Ok, so you now have Fc=mv2/r and v=Fg/qB. Now, can you substitute the second equation into the first? [i.e. replace v^2 in the first with Fg/qb]

music_lover12 said:
...also I'm trying to combine the two equations to find m, which is mass.
Right, well if you manage to do the substitution above, then you need to rearrange the equation you obtain to get it in the form m=...
 
Okay, so I substituted the second equation into the first and I got Fc=m*fg/qB/R. Is that right?
 
music_lover12 said:
Okay, so I substituted the second equation into the first and I got Fc=m*fg/qB/R. Is that right?


No, v is squared in the first equation, and thus substituting the second into the first should yield F_c=\frac{m}{r}\left(\frac{F_g}{qB}\right)^2. Can you rearrange this?
 
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cristo said:
No, v is squared in the first equation, and thus substituting the second into the first should yield F_c=\frac{m}{r}\left(\frac{F_g}{qB}\right)^2. Can you rearrange this?

m=Fcr*qB/Fg^2 :rolleyes:
 
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music_lover12 said:
m=Fcr*qB/Fg^2 :rolleyes:

Well, you're missing a square on q and B; adding parentheses like this m=Fcr*(qB/Fg)^2 gives the correct solution.
 
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Oh okay. I see. Thank you very much!
 
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You're welcome.
 

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