Combining Equations: How to Combine Fc=mv²/r and Fg=qvb?

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The discussion revolves around combining two physics equations: Fc=mv²/r, which relates centripetal force to mass and velocity, and Fg=qvb, which describes the force on a charged particle in a magnetic field. Participants are exploring how to manipulate these equations to find mass.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of symbols in the equations and the implications of using different variables. There are attempts to rearrange the second equation to express velocity and to substitute this expression into the first equation. Questions arise about the correctness of substitutions and the resulting forms of the equations.

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The conversation has progressed through various attempts to combine the equations, with some participants providing guidance on necessary substitutions and rearrangements. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these manipulations, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the equations.

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How do I combine these two equations?

Fc=mv(squared)/r
Fg=qvb
 
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You need to make an effort yourself, and furthermore, defined your symbols. For example, on the LHS of each equation, you have Fc and Fg, respectively. Are these Fxc and Fxg, or are they different variables Fc and Fg?
 
It is with the smaller c and g.
 
Well, in that case, can you rearrange the second equation to get it into the form v=... ?
 
Yeah, it would be v=f/qB...
 
...also I'm trying to combine the two equations to find m, which is mass.
 
music_lover12 said:
Yeah, it would be v=f/qB...
Ok, so you now have Fc=mv2/r and v=Fg/qB. Now, can you substitute the second equation into the first? [i.e. replace v^2 in the first with Fg/qb]

music_lover12 said:
...also I'm trying to combine the two equations to find m, which is mass.
Right, well if you manage to do the substitution above, then you need to rearrange the equation you obtain to get it in the form m=...
 
Okay, so I substituted the second equation into the first and I got Fc=m*fg/qB/R. Is that right?
 
music_lover12 said:
Okay, so I substituted the second equation into the first and I got Fc=m*fg/qB/R. Is that right?


No, v is squared in the first equation, and thus substituting the second into the first should yield [tex]F_c=\frac{m}{r}\left(\frac{F_g}{qB}\right)^2[/tex]. Can you rearrange this?
 
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cristo said:
No, v is squared in the first equation, and thus substituting the second into the first should yield [tex]F_c=\frac{m}{r}\left(\frac{F_g}{qB}\right)^2[/tex]. Can you rearrange this?

m=Fcr*qB/Fg^2 :rolleyes:
 
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music_lover12 said:
m=Fcr*qB/Fg^2 :rolleyes:

Well, you're missing a square on q and B; adding parentheses like this m=Fcr*(qB/Fg)^2 gives the correct solution.
 
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Oh okay. I see. Thank you very much!
 
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You're welcome.
 

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