Combining H2 and O - What Happens?

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The discussion centers on the chemical reaction that occurs when hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) are combined, particularly under atmospheric pressure and in the presence of a heat source. Participants explore the nature of combustion, the conditions required for the reaction, and comparisons to other fuels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that combining hydrogen and oxygen results in combustion, producing water as a waste product, but requires a heat source due to the activation energy needed.
  • Another participant corrects the notion of free oxygen, stating that oxygen exists as O2, not as individual O atoms.
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote of a high school experiment demonstrating the explosive reaction when H2 and O2 are ignited in a specific ratio, highlighting safety concerns.
  • One participant formulates a reaction equation, suggesting that hydrogen and oxygen react to form water and release heat, while also noting that an ignition source is necessary for combustion at atmospheric pressure.
  • There is a discussion about the energy comparison between gasoline and hydrogen, with one participant questioning the validity of the comparison and another providing a link to combustion energy data.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the energy equivalence of gasoline and hydrogen, with one relying on a gut feeling and another confirming the combustion energy values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that combustion of hydrogen and oxygen produces water and requires a heat source, but there is disagreement regarding the specifics of energy comparisons between hydrogen and gasoline, with no consensus reached on the validity of the ratio mentioned.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of oxygen and the conditions for combustion are discussed, but these remain unresolved. The energy comparison between gasoline and hydrogen is also noted as potentially dependent on specific conditions and definitions.

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Hello All,
My question is;
If you have separated H2 and O in gaseous form, then combine them at atmos press, what happens?
If combined in the pressence of a heat source what happens?
Thanks in advance,
Randy
 
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Welcome to PF. When you combine hydrogen and oxygen, that's combustion. They burn and the waste product is water. Though the activation energy isn't too high, it does exist, so there must be a heat source present to make it happen. Not all combustion reactions require a heat source (above ambient), though. Rusting metal is basically a very slow combustion reaction.
 
No such thing as free O, oxygen is diatomic, just like hydrogen - so it is O2.
 
this was an experiment they showed me back in high school.

A clean paint can was used:

2 holes were cut, one into the base and one into the lid. Hydrogen from a hydrogen generator was piped in via the base until the can was considered full (the H2 supply was shut-off then removed). the gas emerging from the hole in the lid was then ignited.


When the ratio of H2 to O2 reaches 2:1 there was a rather large explosion and the teacher spent the remainder of the lesson retrieving the paint can lid from the ceiling tile it was embedded in.

If you wish to do this experiment, you will need to be vary careful in order to avoid the inevitable lawsuits, accusations of terrorism etc., which will arise from any mishaps.
 
So i make the assumption that, (2)H2 + 02 ~> (2)H2O + ? + heat.
Also, H2 + O2 at atmos press does not spontaneously combust, an ignition source is required.
And a question, When comparisons are made between gasoline and H2 there is a ratio of one gallon of gas is equal to one litre of H2 in energy, is the litre gaseous or liquid?
PS thanks for the welcome!
 
For sure not gaseous.

Somehow I find this comparison hard to believe, but that's just a gut feeling.
 
Trust your gut feeling!
 
Wikipedia has combustion energies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion

Hydrogen's combustion energy per unit of mass is a little less than 4x that of gasoline. So that's probably where the '1 gallon of gas = 1 L of H2' came from...of course, whoever made that comparison did not consider that liquid H2 has a specific gravity of .07...
 
More or less that's what I expected, I was just too lazy to dig into the real numbers. Thank you for checking :blushing:
 

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