Commutative Ring Definition: What is a Commutative Ring?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of commutative rings in abstract algebra. Participants are exploring the foundational concepts related to sets, operations, and axioms that define a commutative ring.

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  • The original poster attempts to define a commutative ring but raises questions about the validity of their understanding, particularly regarding the set of non-zero integers and its properties. Other participants question the assumptions made about the set and its operations, specifically whether it meets the criteria to be considered a ring.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's definition and questioning the completeness of their understanding. Some participants are seeking clarification on the axioms that must be satisfied for a set to qualify as a commutative ring, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is mention of specific axioms that a ring must satisfy, and the original poster's exclusion of zero from their defined set raises questions about the validity of their example. Participants are also referencing external resources for further clarification.

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Commutative Ring: Let R be a set of elements a,b,c ... for which the sum (a + b) and the product (ab) of any two elements a and b of R are defined is called a commutative ring

This is my understanding, tell me if I am wrong...

f(x) = 1/x
Domain of f: { x | x =/ 0 } = A

Thus any two integers (a + b) = 0 and (ab) = 0 are not in the commutative ring... commutative ring being A
Is this correct?
 
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Why are you saying that for every two integers a,b in A a+b = 0 holds?

This set is not even a ring (let alone a commutative ring) because it fails to hold a certain axiom. Any guesses which one? Can you prove it?
 
I just opened the book.. Never took a class on this... so I am confused ab out why this definition is important.
And I was hoping for an example for the definition...

It also goes on to say that it must follow 8 rules
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(mathematics )
 
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Commutative Ring: Let R be a set of elements a,b,c ... for which the sum (a + b) and the product (ab) of any two elements a and b of R are defined is called a commutative ring

This is my understanding, tell me if I am wrong...

f(x) = 1/x
Domain of f: { x | x =/ 0 } = A

Thus any two integers (a + b) = 0 and (ab) = 0 are not in the commutative ring... commutative ring being A
Is this correct?
A "ring" consists of a set of objects together with two operations, * and +, satisfying a lot of requirements- mostly those for the integers with regular addition and subtraction. You have defined your set, A, the set of all nonnegative numbers, but have not defined addition or subtraction. If you intended "regular" addition of numbers, this is not a ring because it does not have an "additive identity"- you have specifically excluded 0 which is the identity for "regular" addition.
 

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