Complex Locus - Modulus, Argument and Cartesian Equation Explained

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The discussion revolves around complex numbers and their properties, particularly focusing on loci in the Argand diagram, modulus, and argument. Participants are exploring various questions related to the behavior of complex numbers under certain conditions and equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the equation arg(z+3) = pi/3 and its graphical representation. There are attempts to derive the modulus and argument of z when it takes its least value, with some questioning the nature of ordering in complex numbers.
  • In another part, the relationship between |z| and the inequalities involving |z+2| is examined, with participants sketching diagrams and discussing the geometric interpretation of these inequalities.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the center of circles in the context of complex numbers and the parameters k and m in the equations derived from the locus.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the problems presented. Some have sketched diagrams to aid understanding, while others are seeking further clarification on specific points, such as the derivation of parameters in equations. There is a collaborative effort to explore different interpretations and approaches to the problems.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. Some assumptions about the nature of complex numbers and their graphical representations are being questioned, indicating a need for deeper exploration of the concepts involved.

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Complex Locus - PLEASE HELP!

Homework Statement



Q1: The complex number z satisfies arg(z+3) = pi/3

(a) Sketch the locus of the point P in the Argand diagram which represents z (DONE)

(b) Find the modulus and argument of z when z takes its least value. (STUCK)[/color]

(c) Hence represent z in a + ib form. (STUCK)[/color]


Homework Equations



arg(z+3) = pi/3


The Attempt at a Solution



arctan[y/(x+3)] = pi/3

y/(x+3) = sqrt(3)

y = sqrt(3)x + 3*sqrt(3)

I can't do part (b) and hence (c) of Q1.

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Homework Statement



Q2: If z is any complex number such that |z| = 1, show using Argand diagram or otherwise that:

Homework Equations



(a) 1 <= |z+2| <= 3 (STUCK)[/color]

(b) -pi/6 <= arg(z+2) <= pi/6 (STUCK)[/color]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have sketched both parts (a) which is the region between the circles centred at (-2,0) and radii 1 and 3 and (b).

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Homework Statement



Q3: The complex number z = x+iy, x and y are real, such that |z - i| = Im(z).

(a) Show that the point representing z has a Cartesian Equation y = 1/2(x^2 + 1). Sketch the locus. (DONE)

(b) Find the gradient of the tangent to this curve which passes through the origin. Hence find the set of possible values of the principal argument of z. (STUCK)[/color]

Homework Equations



|z - i| = Im(z)

y = 1/2(x^2 + 1)

The Attempt at a Solution



for part (a)

sqrt[x2 + (y-1)2] = y
x2 + y2 - 2y + 1 = y2
therefore, y = 1/2(x2+1)

Part (b) - NO IDEA!

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Thanks for your help!
 
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mathological said:
(b) Find the modulus and argument of z when z takes its least value. (STUCK)[/color]
There's no ordering relation on the complex numbers. Do you mean when |z| takes its least value? In that case, you have an equation of the form y=kx+m, and you know that z=x+iy. You get |z| (as a function of x) from that. Then you find the minimum by setting its derivative =0, and so on.

mathological said:

Homework Statement



Q2: If z is any complex number such that |z| = 1, show using Argand diagram or otherwise that:

Homework Equations



(a) 1 <= |z+2| <= 3 (STUCK)[/color]
When it says you can use a diagram, you really just have to draw the picture and point at the details that make it obvious. If z is on the unit circle, then z+2 is on a circle with the same radius but moved 2 units to the right. So its left edge is at 1 and its right edge at 3 (because the original circle had the edges at -1 and +1). For a more rigorous solution, use the triangle inequality and the...uh...I don't know what it's called, but it's similar to the triangle inequality, but with a minus sign.

mathological said:
(b) -pi/6 <= arg(z+2) <= pi/6 (STUCK)[/color]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have sketched both parts (a) which is the region between the circles centred at (-2,0) and radii 1 and 3 and (b).
z+2 is on the circle with radius 1 centered at 2, not -2. So draw that circle, and then draw two lines from 0 that are tangent to the circle (above and below). Can you figure out the angles they make with the real axis?
 
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Fredrik said:
z+2 is on the circle with radius 1 centered at 2, not -2. So draw that circle, and then draw two lines from 0 that are tangent to the circle (above and below). Can you figure out the angles they make with the real axis?

Thanks Fredrik, I was actually taking 1 <= |z+2| <= 3 as the region between circles centered at (-2,0) and with radii 1 unit and 3 units.

I see where I went wrong. But just one thing, why isn't |z+2| a circle centred at (-2,0)?
 


Fredrik said:
There's no ordering relation on the complex numbers. Do you mean when |z| takes its least value?

Fredrik, you are absolutely correct.

Q1 (b) is supposed to read:

(b) Find the modulus and argument of z when |z| takes its least value.

Fredrik said:
In that case, you have an equation of the form y=kx+m, and you know that z=x+iy. You get |z| (as a function of x) from that. Then you find the minimum by setting its derivative =0, and so on.

What will be the value of k and m (I mean how do you obtain these)?
 


mathological said:
But just one thing, why isn't |z+2| a circle centred at (-2,0)?
|z+2| is just a number. If you're thinking of the equation |z+2|=1, it defines a circle with radius 1 centered at -2, but you were given the equation |z|=1. The problem asks you to show that the two inequalities you were given are satisfied by each z on that circle.

mathological said:
What will be the value of k and m (I mean how do you obtain these)?
You already did that in your first post. I drew a picture and saw that the line forms a right triangle with the two axes. The bottom side has length 3, and the right side has length m, so

k=\frac{m}{3}=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)

and therefore

y=kx+m=k(x+3)=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)(x+3)
 


Fredrik said:
|z+2| is just a number. If you're thinking of the equation |z+2|=1, it defines a circle with radius 1 centered at -2, but you were given the equation |z|=1. The problem asks you to show that the two inequalities you were given are satisfied by each z on that circle.


You already did that in your first post. I drew a picture and saw that the line forms a right triangle with the two axes. The bottom side has length 3, and the right side has length m, so

k=\frac{m}{3}=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)

and therefore

y=kx+m=k(x+3)=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)(x+3)

Thanks Fredrik. Yeah it was a bit stupid of me to ask what k and m were.
 

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