Complex Pulley/Force/Circular motion question.

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a rope wrapped around a horizontal pole, with a mass hanging from one end. The key formula derived from this scenario is known as the Eytelwein formula, which relates the forces acting on the system, including static friction and tension. The relevant equations include F=ma and Fc=mv^2/r. A detailed free body diagram (FBD) is essential for visualizing the forces at play, particularly for small angles.

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Homework Statement


A rope is wrapped through an angle θ about a horizontal pole (So for ex-
ample, θ = 2π would imply the rope goes around one full time). The rope and
the pole have a static friction coeffecient of μ, and the pole is of radius r. From
one end of the rope hangs a mass m. How much force must be exerted on the
other end of the rope to keep the mass from falling?

Homework Equations


F=ma
Fc=mv^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


So I attempted to draw out FBDs for each section and I got that the string on the left side has a Fpull in the downward direciton, a tension force pulling upward and a friction force upward. On the mass, I have mg pulling down, tension and Fpull in the upward direction.

I have the diagram uploaded.
 

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This situation has quite a special solution, the formula you need is named after a German scientist: Eytelwein. I don't know if your task is to derive the formula by yourself, but this wouldn't be very easy. If you want to try it you have to draw the FBD for a small piece of rope (for a small angle dθ).
 

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