Complex representation of a wave

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The discussion revolves around the complex representation of waves, specifically in the context of an Optics course. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the conversion of trigonometric functions (cosine and sine) into their exponential forms, as well as the implications of phase constants in these representations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between trigonometric functions and complex exponentials, referencing Euler's formula. Questions are raised about how to handle phase shifts and the conversion process from sine and cosine to exponential forms.

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Some participants provide references to external resources that may aid in understanding the topic. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in explaining the complex representation, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a definitive consensus.

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The original poster indicates a lack of prior exposure to the topic, which may affect the depth of understanding among participants. There are mentions of homework constraints and the desire for thorough explanations without assuming prior knowledge.

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Homework Statement
Hi there,
I'm currently taking an Optics course and the teacher is expecting us to have an understanding of the complex representation of waves. Although, hardly any of us have even heard of this yet. I've tried to google how to convert a cos(obj) and sin(obj) to an exponential... but I just don't understand. I would really love it if someone could explain this to me, as this has been really been bringing me down.
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E=Eoexp[k•r±⍵t]
Homework Statement: Hi there,
I'm currently taking an Optics course and the teacher is expecting us to have an understanding of the complex representation of waves. Although, hardly any of us have even heard of this yet. I've tried to google how to convert a cos(obj) and sin(obj) to an exponential... but I just don't understand. I would really love it if someone could explain this to me, as this has been really been bringing me down.
Homework Equations: E=Eoexp[k•r±⍵t]

This is an equation we saw in class today:

E=Eocos[k•r±⍵t] (where E, Eo, k and r are vectors). The answer was given to us (equation above), but I really want to understand why that is the result.

What would the complex representation of this function be? Could you please be thorough with your explanation... I am so lost and need a clear (and simple) answer.

Also, how would this result change if there was a constant in the argument of the cos function (ex: phase constant)? What if this was a sine function (I know you can switch any sine function to a cos, but I would like to know how to do it the 'hard' way?
 
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e101101 said:
Homework Equations: E=Eoexp[k•r±⍵t]
You missed an i in the exponential.

e101101 said:
What would the complex representation of this function be? Could you please be thorough with your explanation... I am so lost and need a clear (and simple) answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula
e101101 said:
Also, how would this result change if there was a constant in the argument of the cos function (ex: phase constant)? What if this was a sine function (I know you can switch any sine function to a cos, but I would like to know how to do it the 'hard' way?
I'm not sure that this answers your question, but as you wrote, to general solution is a sum of a sine and a cosine. There can be combined into a phase-shifted cosine or sine. By convention, most of the time the cosine is used.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/springs/trig-identity-en.html
 
Here are some useful identities.

Euler's Identity: ##e^{i\theta} = \cos(\theta) + i \sin(\theta)##

From which you get:
##\cos(\theta) = \frac {(e^{i\theta}+ e^{-i\theta})} { 2} ##
##\sin(\theta) = \frac {(e^{i\theta}- e^{-i\theta})} { 2i} ##

And since a phase shift in sine or cosine can be written as a combination of sines and cosines, for example:
##A \cos(\omega t + \phi) = A [ \cos(\omega t) cos(\phi) - \sin(\omega t) \sin(\phi)]
= (A \cos\phi) \cos(\omega t) - (A \sin\phi) \sin(\omega t) \\
= B \cos(\omega t) + C \sin(\omega t)##
then you can write a general phase-shifted sine or cosine as a combination of exponentials using the above identities.

Note that you get both a positive and negative exponent when you make that substitution. If you have something representing a real-valued signal, then when represented as exponentials the full expression will have complex conjugate terms such that there's not actually any imaginary waves around.

But most of the time you don't worry about that kind of thing, and the exponential notation makes calculation of all kinds of things a heck of a lot easier.
 
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