Composition of Chicken: Exploring the Science Behind Meatless Alternatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the composition of chicken and the definitions and perceptions of vegetarianism, particularly in relation to meatless alternatives. Participants explore various aspects of dietary choices, the nature of meatless products, and the implications of these choices on health and ethics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion over dietary labels, noting that many who identify as vegetarians still consume poultry.
  • There are claims regarding the composition of chicken, with mentions of different parts of the chicken having varying amounts of meat.
  • Discussion includes references to meatless chicken products, with some participants questioning how something can be chicken-flavored yet meatless.
  • Participants share experiences with meat substitutes like Quorn, suggesting they can closely mimic the taste of chicken.
  • There are humorous and speculative comments about the nature of meatless chicken and the idea of creating "meaty vegetables."
  • Some participants discuss the ethical implications of poultry farming, including concerns about animal welfare and antibiotic use.
  • There are differing views on the necessity of modifying livestock and crops to sustain human populations, with some arguing against this notion.
  • The conversation touches on the variability of vegetarian definitions across cultures, with references to dietary practices in different countries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of vegetarianism or the implications of consuming poultry. Multiple competing views remain regarding dietary choices and the ethics of food production.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about dietary definitions and the impact of food production practices on health and ethics. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and cultural perspectives that may not align universally.

  • #31
Starved to death or just never become so populated?
 
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  • #32
Aero51 said:
The fact of the matter is that if we did not modify these chickens/turkeys/cows/grain/corn etc the human race would have starved to death by now.

Natural farming simply cannot sustain the human race.

Many people forget that little fact.


So dig in!

That is not a fact of the matter, far from it.
 
  • #33
Monique said:
Do meatless chickens exist?


Yes, but the seeds are very expensive and, once grown, are actually seedless.

Damn you Monsanto!

Pythagorean said:
Starved to death or just never become so populated?

I don't think lack of food supply has ever caused a stagnation in reproduction. Look at the birthrates in the third world.
 
  • #34
FlexGunship said:
I don't think lack of food supply has ever caused a stagnation in reproduction. Look at the birthrates in the third world.

It depends on the context.

"The first dramatic effect of food shortage is on fertility"

Nutr Health. 1993;9(1):43-52.
The effects of food shortage on human reproduction.
Wynn A, Wynn M.

http://nah.sagepub.com/content/9/1/43.extract


It's not been established yet what long-term steady-state would be for a low-food situation though, compared to a high-food one. Obviously there will also be higher mortality rates, making younger populations more transient (which can have the affect of a lower population overall) so it's not just about reproduction.

other resources (including a skeptical one):
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1353/dem.2005.0010
http://www.jstor.org/stable/203626?seq=2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1126699
 
  • #35
In some languages the word "meat" is used interchangeably with the word "beef." So it's possible that when you clarified by saying you didn't eat "meat or fish" what she understood was that you don't eat "beef or fish" which does sort of imply that for some reason you eat poultry...
 
  • #36
If you don't eat "meat", you may be offered seafood instead. Here, Atlantic salmon, haddock, and other seafood are available and popular. They are more expensive sources of protein than cheap steaks and burgers, but that is the accommodation that you may be offered if you tell your host that you don't eat meat. I'd certainly rather have a nice grilled piece of salmon steak than a hot dog any day...
 
  • #37
There is meat in hot dogs??
 
  • #38
Only in wormy ones.
 

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