Compound Interest & Number e Connection

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The discussion centers around the mathematical constant e (approximately 2.71828) and its connections to compound interest, derivatives, and integrals. Participants explore the historical context of e's discovery, its properties, and its significance in calculus, particularly regarding the function f(x) = e^x.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that e originated from compound interest calculations, specifically in the context of continuously compounded interest.
  • Others discuss the derivative of the function f(x) = a^x and the search for a real number a such that its derivative equals 1 in the interval (0,1).
  • A participant mentions the Taylor series as a method to investigate the relationship between e and its derivative.
  • Another participant notes that while e is often attributed to Euler, it was actually discovered by Jakob Bernoulli during his work on compound interest.
  • Some participants explain the derivative of e^x and its relationship to the limit definition involving the neper sequence.
  • There is a claim that the fact that e^x is its own derivative is not a coincidence but rather a consequence of e being its own integral.
  • A participant requests a simpler explanation of the correlation between e being its own derivative and integral.

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Participants express differing views on the historical context of e's discovery and its mathematical properties. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and some points remain contested or unclear.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the limits and definitions involved in the calculus of e, but these are not fully resolved or agreed upon by all participants.

Warp
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Originally (as far as I know) the number e (ie. 2.71828...) came up in compound interest calculations.

For example, if you have 1 dollar, and a compound interest of 100% per year, and the interest is continuously calculated, after one year you'll have exactly e dollars.

The generic formula for this is (1+1/n)n, where n is the amount of times compound interest is calculated during the year. As n approaches infinity (which means it's continuously calculated), that formula approaches e.

Is the fact that ex is its own derivative just a coincidence, or is there a correlation with the above?
 
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The way we were first acquainted with the existence of ##e## was: We are looking for the derivative of ##f(x) = a^x##. From visual inspection there must be a real number ##a## such that this derivative is equal to 1 in ##(0,1)##.
 
That's not what I heard. But either way, it's not really what I asked...
 
You are right. I got carried away by memories ...:rolleyes:

You could investigate the Taylor series of your expression and see that it yields something looking suspiciously like ##f'= f##

[edit] that doesn't make much sense. Dug up a dog-eared yellowish textbook, copyright 1969 :smile:, on infinitesimals and found: we call this number ##e##.
So the derivative definition gives us ##\displaystyle f'(0) = \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}{e^h-1\over h} = 1## hence ##\displaystyle f'(x) = \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}{e^{x+h}-e^x\over h} = e^x \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}{e^h-1\over h}= e^x##.
Not interesting for you, but: a few pages further, on limits:
##f(x)=\log(1+x)\Rightarrow f'(x) = (1+x)^{-1} \Rightarrow \displaystyle f'(0) = \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{\log(x+1)\over x} = 1## and now we do have an answer to your question !
 
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BvU said:
The way we were first acquainted with the existence of ##e## was: We are looking for the derivative of ##f(x) = a^x##. From visual inspection there must be a real number ##a## such that this derivative is equal to 1 in ##(0,1)##.
Although e is now called Euler's number, it was actually discovered by Jakob Bernoulli (among other mathematicians) before Euler was born when he, Bernoulli, was investigating compound interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant)

Euler's singular contribution was his formula which relates e, i, π, 0, and 1.
 
Considering the derivative of ## f(x)=e^{x}##:

##f'(x)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^{x+h}-e^{x}}{h}=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{h}-1}{h}\cdot e^{x},##

you can see that the derivative of ##e^{x}## differs from ##e^{x}## by the factor ##\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{h}-1}{h}##. If we write:

## \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{nh}-1}{h},##

we can examine the sequence ##\frac{\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{nh}-1}{h}##. If ##h=1## then for ##n\rightarrow \infty## we have ##e-1## as limit, because it is a variation of the neper sequence you cited before. The fact that ##h\rightarrow 0## ''deforms'' the result of this sequence that under the limit for ##h\rightarrow 0## tends to ##1##. This permit to have the equality between ##f'## and ##f## ... this is the way how the growth of neper sequence is correlated with the derivative of the function ##e^{x}##.
 
Warp said:
Is the fact that ex is its own derivative just a coincidence, or is there a correlation with the above?
There is a correlation - this is a direct consequence of the fact that e is its own integral.
 
MrAnchovy said:
There is a correlation - this is a direct consequence of the fact that e is its own integral.
Could you explain in vernacular how?
 
Did you read #4 or #6 ?
 
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MrAnchovy said:
There is a correlation - this is a direct consequence of the fact that e is its own integral.
Or, rather, that ##\int e^x dx = e^x## plus an arbitrary constant.
 

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