Compton shift problem

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The discussion revolves around a Compton shift problem, specifically focusing on the calculations related to the energy and wavelength of scattered photons. Participants are analyzing the relationship between the initial and final energies of photons after scattering, as well as the corresponding wavelength changes.

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  • Participants explore various calculations related to the Compton shift, questioning arithmetic and the use of trigonometric values. There is discussion about expressing energy loss as a function of the scattering angle, and some participants suggest using algebraic methods instead of plugging in numbers directly.

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There are multiple interpretations of the calculations, with some participants noting discrepancies between their results and those in the answer key. Guidance has been offered regarding the preferred approach to the problem, and some have acknowledged mistakes in their calculations.

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Homework Statement
A photon with wavelength 15 pm Compton scatters off an electron, its direction of motion changing by 110 degrees. What fraction of the photon's initial energy is lost to the electron?
Relevant Equations
shift in wavelength=h/mc * (1-cos theta)

h/mc=.00243 nm

Energy of a photon = hc / lambda
(1-cos 110 degrees) is .342, so the Compton shift is .00243 * 10^-9 * .342 = 8.31 * 10^-13 m.

The wavelength of the scattered photon is the Compton shift plus the initial wavelength, that is, (8.31 * 10^-13) + (15 * 10^-12), which equals 1.58 * 10^-11 m. So the energy of the scattered photon is hc / (1.58 * 10^-11), that is, 1.259 * 10^-14 j. And the initial energy of the photon is hc / (15 * 10^-12), that is, 1.362 * 10^-14 j.

Therefore, the fraction of energy lost by the photon should be (1.362 - 1.259) / 1.326, that is, 7.78%. However, the book answer key says 17.9%. If my answer is wrong, what am I doing wrong?
 
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It's better to use algebra and plug the numbers in at the end. You should be able to express the percentage energy loss as a function of ##\theta##.
 
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Brian_D said:
(1-cos 110 degrees) is .342,
##\cos (110^{\circ})## is negative so you can tell that ##1 - \cos (110^{\circ})## will be greater than 1.

(I haven't checked if that leads to the correct answer though.)

Edit: But @PeroK's suggested approach is the preferred one.
 
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I get 17.8%.

Note that energy is inversely proportional to wavelength.
 
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Brian_D said:
(1-cos 110 degrees) is .342, so...
This is wrong; check your arithmetic.
EDIT: I also get 17.8%.
 
Steve4Physics said:
##\cos (110^{\circ})## is negative so you can tell that ##1 - \cos (110^{\circ})## will be greater than 1.

(I haven't checked if that leads to the correct answer though.)

Edit: But @PeroK's suggested approach is the preferred one.
Yes, thank you Steve4Physics, my mistake was using the wrong value for cos 110 degrees.
 
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renormalize said:
This is wrong; check your arithmetic.
EDIT: I also get 17.8%.
Yes, I see mistake mistake now, and with this correction I also get 18%. Thank you, renormalize.
 
PeroK said:
It's better to use algebra and plug the numbers in at the end. You should be able to express the percentage energy loss as a function of ##\theta##.
Important reminder, thank you PeroK.
 
Brian_D said:
Important reminder, thank you PeroK.
The energy of a photon is inversely proportional to the wavelength. Hence
$$\frac{E'-E}{E} = \frac{E'}{E}-1 = \frac{\lambda}{\lambda'} -1$$That is a much simpler calculation.
 
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Got it, thank you PeroK.
 
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