Compute Lebesgue integral as (improper) Riemann integral

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the Lebesgue integral of the function \( \frac{1}{|x|} \) over the real line, specifically questioning the conditions under which it can be expressed as an improper Riemann integral. Participants explore the implications of the monotone convergence theorem and the nature of convergence in this context.

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  • One participant questions how the integral \( \int_{\mathbb{R}} \frac{1}{|x|} d\lambda(x) \) can be evaluated as \( \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac{1}{|x|} dx \) without a proven theorem supporting this equivalence.
  • Another participant suggests using the definition of the Lebesgue integral to show that for any large \( M > 0 \), there exists a set of positive measure where the integral exceeds \( M \), implying the integral over the reals must also be infinite.
  • A participant introduces a sequence of functions \( f_n \) and applies the monotone convergence theorem to demonstrate the evaluation of the integral, leading to the conclusion that it diverges to infinity.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of limits in calculus, particularly whether limits that do not exist can still be considered equal under certain conditions, raising questions about the application of the monotone convergence theorem.
  • Another participant clarifies that the monotone convergence theorem specifically deals with pointwise monotonically increasing sequences of nonnegative functions and discusses the implications of working with extended real numbers in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the monotone convergence theorem and the conditions under which the Lebesgue integral can be treated as an improper Riemann integral. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of convergence in this context.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the assumptions made about convergence and the definitions used in the context of Lebesgue integrals versus improper Riemann integrals. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the conditions under which theorems apply.

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Hello everyone,

in a solution to my measure theory assignment, I have seen the equation

$$
\int_{\mathbb{R}}^{} \frac {1}{|x|}\, d\lambda(x)=\infty
$$
with ##\lambda## as the 1⁻dim Lebesgue measure.

I was wondering how that integral was evaluated as we had never proven any theorem that states that Lebesgue integrals can be computed as improper Riemann integrals. This simple equation makes it look trivial, but I don't see the reasoning. Under which condition can I just rewrite the integral as ## \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac {1}{|x|}\, dx ##?
 
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I think you can easily stay within the Lebesgue integral definition. Given arbitrarily large ##M \gt 0##, can you find a set of positive measure on which the function integral must be greater than ##M##? Then show that the entire integral over the reals must be greater than ##M##.
 
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For each ##n \in \mathbb Z^{\geq 1}##, let ##f_n## be the characteristic function of ##(-n, -1/n) \cup (1/n, n)##. Observe that for all ##x \neq 0##, ##\left(\frac{1}{|x|}f_n(x)\right)_{n=1}^{\infty}## is a nonnegative increasing sequence which converges to ##1/|x|##.

Therefore by the monotone convergence theorem (second equality below), one can write
$$\begin{aligned}
\int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}d\lambda(x) &= \int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}\lim_{n \to \infty} f_n d\lambda(x) \\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty} \int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}f_n d\lambda(x) \\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty}\left(\int_{-n}^{-1/n}\frac{1}{|x|} d\lambda(x) + \int_{1/n}^{n}\frac{1}{|x|}d\lambda(x)\right) \\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty}\left( 2\int_{1/n}^{n}\frac{1}{x} d\lambda(x) \right)\\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty}2(\log(n) - \log(1/n)) \\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty}4\log(n) \\
&= \infty
\end{aligned}$$
 
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@FactChecker Nice idea, cheers!

@jbunniii Thanks for showing how to properly reduce it to a Riemann integral!
 
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Therefore by the monotone convergence theorem (second equality below), one can write
##
\int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}d\lambda(x) = \int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}\lim_{n \to \infty} f_n d\lambda(x)
##
## = \lim_{n \to \infty} \int_{\mathbb R}\frac{1}{|x|}f_n d\lambda(x)
##

Often in calculus, we consider statements of the form ##lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x) = lim_{x \rightarrow a} g(x) ## to be true when both limits fail to exist - or are both exist by being "infinity". It's an interesting technical question whether the monotone covergence is stated using this convention. Does the monotone convergence theorem deal only with convergence?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Often in calculus, we consider statements of the form ##lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x) = lim_{x \rightarrow a} g(x) ## to be true when both limits fail to exist - or are both exist by being "infinity". It's an interesting technical question whether the monotone covergence is stated using this convention. Does the monotone convergence theorem deal only with convergence?
The monotone convergence theorem only deals with pointwise monotonically increasing sequences of nonnegative functions. Therefore the only possible type of convergence failure is divergence to ##+\infty##.

For this reason among others, it's conventional in the Lebesgue context to work with the extended real numbers, in which case divergence to ##+\infty## is actually convergence to ##+\infty##.

Whether or not we assume this convention, the monotone convergence theorem handles this case, in the sense that if either side diverges to ##+\infty## (or equivalently, converges in the extended reals to ##+\infty##), then both do.
 
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