Concave Downward Function and Average

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of continuous concave downward functions on the interval [a,b], specifically regarding the relationship between the average value of the function and its value at the midpoint of the interval. Participants explore whether the average of such a function is greater than the function's value at the midpoint.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that for a continuous concave downward function f on [a,b], the average value of f is greater than f[(a+b)/2].
  • Another participant counters this claim by providing a counterexample using the function $-x^{2}+1$ on the interval $[-1,1]$, demonstrating that the average value can be less than the function's value at the midpoint.
  • A third participant expresses appreciation for the counterexample provided.
  • A fourth participant suggests a rephrasing of the original question, proposing that the average of f is greater than [f(a)+f(b)]/2, and supports this with a geometric interpretation involving the area under the curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views regarding the relationship between the average value of a concave downward function and its value at the midpoint, with one participant providing a counterexample that challenges the initial claim.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions regarding concave downward functions and their properties, as well as the implications of geometric interpretations in mathematical reasoning.

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Please show that if f is a continuous concave downward function on [a,b],then the average of the function f is greater than f[(a+b)/2],thank you in advance.
 
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This conclusion is false. Consider $-x^{2}+1$ on the interval $[-1,1]$. It's continuous and concave downward everywhere. Then the average value of the function is
$$ \frac{1}{1-(-1)} \int_{-1}^{1}(-x^{2}+1) \, dx= \int_{0}^{1}(-x^{2}+1) \, dx
= \frac{2}{3},$$
but
$$f\left( \frac{1+(-1)}{2}\right)= f(0) = 1 > \frac{2}{3} .$$
 
awesome explanation!thank you.
 
renyikouniao said:
Please show that if f is a continuous concave downward function on [a,b],then the average of the function f is greater than f[(a+b)/2],thank you in advance.
Perhaps the question should have read "Show that if f is a continuous concave downward function on [a,b],then the average of the function f is greater than [f(a)+f(b)]/2]." That is true, and you see why geometrically, if you notice that the graph of f lies above the line joining the points (a,f(a)) and (b,f(b)). Thus the area under the graph is greater than the area of the trapezium with vertices (a,0), (a,f(a)), (b,f(b)), (b,0). In other words, $$\int_a^bf(x)\,dx > \tfrac12(f(a)+f(b)(b-a),$$ from which $$\frac1{b-a}\int_a^bf(x)\,dx > \tfrac12(f(a)+f(b)).$$
 

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