Conceptual question on equations of the form ##x=ay^2+by+c##

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of quadratic equations, specifically examining the implications of switching variables in the equation format. Participants explore whether equations like ##x=y^2+2y+1## can be treated as quadratic equations with respect to the variable ##y##.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of quadratic equations and whether switching the variables alters their classification. Questions arise regarding the implications of defining ##x## as a function of ##y## and the uniqueness of values for ##y## corresponding to each ##x##.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm that the equation can be viewed as quadratic with switched variables, while others question the nature of the relationship, particularly regarding the function definition and the uniqueness of outputs for given inputs.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which ##y## can be considered a function of ##x##, particularly in the context of the quadratic relationship and the requirement for unique values.

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Homework Statement
This is my own question;
Relevant Equations
quadratic equations
Now i just need some clarification; we know that quadratic equations are equations of the form ##y=ax^2+bx+c## with ##a,b## and ##c## being constants and ##x## and ##y## variables.

Now my question is... can we also view/look at ##x=y^2+2y+1## as quadratic equations having switched the variables ? thanks...
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement: This is my own question;
Relevant Equations: quadratic equations

Now i just need some clarification; we know that quadratic equations are equations of the form ##y=ax^2+bx+c## with ##a,b## and ##c## being constants and ##x## and ##y## variables.

Now my question is... can we also view/look at ##x=y^2+2y+1## as quadratic equations having switched the variables ? thanks...
Yes. Of course we can.

However, I hope you realize that in this case, ##x## is a function of ##y##, but ##y## is not a function of ##x##.
 
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SammyS said:
Yes. Of course we can.

However, I hope you realize that in this case, ##x## is a function of ##y##, but ##y## is not a function of ##x##.
yes @SammyS ...we now have ##x## as the dependent variable......but is the relation going to be a Function? as we require to obtain one unique value( one and only one) for ##y## for any value of ##xε\mathbb{R}##.
 
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it is a function of variable ##y##
 
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chwala said:
yes @SammyS ...we now have ##x## as the dependent variable......but is the relation going to be a Function? as we require to obtain one unique value( one and only one) for ##y## for any value of ##xε\mathbb{R}##.
I believe that I answered this in Post #2 .
 
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chwala said:
as we require to obtain one unique value( one and only one) for ##y## for any value of ##xε\mathbb{R}##.
But this is needed when ##y## is a function of ##x##.
If we have ##x=y^2## we can say that ##x## is a function of ##y##. But ##y## is not a function of ##x## because: ##y=\pm x^\frac {1}{2}##.
 
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