Conditional vs unconditional convergence

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter johnqwertyful
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Conditional Convergence
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

This discussion centers on the concept of conditional convergence in mathematical analysis, specifically highlighting its implications when rearranging terms in infinite series. Participants express fascination with the Riemann Series Theorem, which illustrates how different arrangements of terms can yield distinct sums. The conversation emphasizes the pitfalls of applying finitistic thinking to infinite series, warning against the misconception that infinite series can be treated as finite sums. Overall, the discussion underscores the complexity of dealing with infinity in mathematical contexts.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of conditional convergence in infinite series
  • Familiarity with the Riemann Series Theorem
  • Basic knowledge of mathematical analysis concepts
  • Awareness of finitistic versus infinitistic reasoning
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the implications of the Riemann Series Theorem in greater depth
  • Explore advanced topics in mathematical analysis, focusing on infinite series
  • Investigate the differences between absolute and conditional convergence
  • Learn about Hilbert Spaces and their properties in relation to infinite dimensions
USEFUL FOR

Mathematics students, educators, and anyone interested in deepening their understanding of convergence, infinite series, and the complexities of mathematical analysis.

johnqwertyful
Messages
396
Reaction score
14
NOT talking about nonabsolute vs absolute convergence. I'm talking about conditional convergence. In my analysis text, this was a bit that was covered as enrichment and it straight up blew my mind. I don't get it. How can you simply rearrange terms and come up with a separate sum? They showed a few examples in the book, but it still blew my mind.

I don't really have a question. I just find this idea awesome. Also Reimann Series Theorem blew my mind.

Does anyone know much about it? The book I had, although clear, wasn't as deep as I would have liked.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hey johnqwertyful.

It's basically what happens when you deal with infinity and this kind of thing is problematic in many areas of mathematics that analyze it.

In the conditional case, there are infinitely many terms and infinitely many ways to evaluate them but the crux is that you can't fall into the finitistic way of thinking.

The finitistic way of thinking is that you can divide an infinite series into finitely many terms whether its through sums, products or combinations thereof.

This is why when people try to decompose some series and evaluate it in a specific finitistic way (like say collecting terms and representing them as n objects) then you fall into trouble.

It's not just way arithmetic or series though: the same thing happens with trying to make sense of infinity wherever it's applied whether that include how you can decompose for example, an infinite linear space (like a Hilbert-Space): if you are not careful you can fall into the same trap.

It might help you to keep in mind of getting caught in the same trap of taking something infinite and trying to make it finite: in some cases you can, but in general you can't and if you're not careful you will run into the same mistakes yourself.
 
Interesting man. Thanks. I guess the main thing I've learned from analysis is that I really don't know squat about things I thought I knew. Infinity, convergence, limits, real numbers.

I'm super excited for my analysis class to start. I've already worked through a few chapters in my book, and now have been skipping around. It's a fantastic book. Crystal clear, challenging but doable problems, no problem is trivial.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Wlb-o7HBh2YC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K