Conductor inside capacitor check

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The discussion revolves around calculating the capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor with an isolated conductor of thickness 'a' placed between its plates. Participants explore different equations and approaches to understand how the presence of the conductor affects the overall capacitance.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the division of the capacitor into two capacitors in series due to the conductor's presence. There is a question regarding the validity of the capacitance equations used, particularly in relation to different unit systems (CGS vs. SI).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants confirming each other's interpretations and equations. Some have provided insights into the implications of the conductor's thickness approaching zero and how it relates to the original capacitance equation.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing capacitance equations based on unit systems, and participants are considering the effects of edge fringe effects in their calculations. The original poster seeks confirmation of their understanding and calculations.

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Homework Statement



An isolated conductor of thickness 'a' is placed between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor. Find the capacitance

Homework Equations



C = A/(4*pi*d)


The Attempt at a Solution



C1 = A/(4*pi*((d-a)/2))
C2 = A/(4*pi*((d-a)/2))

1/C = 1/C1 + 1/C2

Plugging in C1 and C2...

1/C = (8*pi*((d-a)/2)) / A

or

C = A / (8*pi*((d-a)/2)

If I am understanding this correctly...the conductor divides the capacitor into two capacitors in series...if someone can confirm this i appreciate it. TIA.
 
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nissanztt90 said:

Homework Statement



An isolated conductor of thickness 'a' is placed between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor. Find the capacitance

Homework Equations



C = A/(4*pi*d)


The Attempt at a Solution



C1 = A/(4*pi*((d-a)/2))
C2 = A/(4*pi*((d-a)/2))

1/C = 1/C1 + 1/C2

Plugging in C1 and C2...

1/C = (8*pi*((d-a)/2)) / A

or

C = A / (8*pi*((d-a)/2)

If I am understanding this correctly...the conductor divides the capacitor into two capacitors in series...if someone can confirm this i appreciate it. TIA.

Yes, it does divide it into two capacitors in series, each with a higher capacitance. If the dividing conductor is infinitely thin, then the change in capacitance should be what?

BTW, I'm not familiar with the capacitance equation you are using. Is it the form that is used in advanced physics units? The engineering form that I'm used to is:

C = \frac{\epsilon A}{d}

for a large thin capacitor (so edge fringe effects are negligible).
 
The form i am using is just in CGS units...where the SI form is just divided by epsilon*4*pi I believe so that k = 1.

As the conductor thickness goes to 0, (d-a) will go to d, and the division by 2 will be negated by the factor of 8 as opposed to 4...so it will go back to the original equation.
 
Thanks for the note about the cgs approach -- I was thinking that was the difference. And you are correct on the limit -- makes sense after all. It's a good way to check your equations, but it looks like you already knew that.
 
Yes i did...thanks again for the check.
 

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