Confidence intervals and range of possible values

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The discussion revolves around the concept of confidence intervals in statistics, particularly in relation to estimating population parameters from sample statistics. Participants explore the rationale behind calculating confidence intervals, the distinction between confidence intervals and prediction intervals, and the implications of population standard deviation on confidence interval size.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculation of confidence intervals, questioning why standard deviation is used instead of the range of possible values.
  • Another participant clarifies that a confidence interval does not represent a "range of possible values" but rather indicates that it will contain the true parameter value a certain percentage of the time.
  • A different participant notes that when calculating confidence intervals, a smaller population standard deviation results in a smaller confidence interval, suggesting that maximum possible standard deviation should be considered due to uncertainty.
  • One participant asks how to estimate the population mean using only sample statistics, indicating a need for further clarification on this process.
  • Another participant suggests that the population mean can be estimated using the average of the sample values, followed by applying a confidence interval.
  • A later reply mentions that if the data is Gaussian, the confidence interval can be calculated using the mean plus or minus the t statistic times the standard error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the understanding and calculation of confidence intervals, with no consensus reached on the initial confusion expressed by the first participant.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of confidence interval calculations on the population standard deviation and sample size, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the estimation of population parameters from sample statistics.

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When i did a business statistics course some time ago, I was able to calculate confidence intervals, but i didn't understand ‘why’ they were calculated in the way they were.

I considered that the size of a confidence interval is based on the number of observations and ‘the range of possible values’ that the those observations may result in. When calculating confidence intervals for the mean of a population, you use standard deviation rather than the range of possible vales.

The reason i considered the range of possible values rather than the variance or standard deviation, is because they are a statistic of their own and could have a confidence interval applied to them. Something suggests to me that the confidence interval of variance can not be based the number of observations alone and that if the confidence interval of variance is dependent on another factor, then the confidence interval of the variance or standard deviation would affect the confidence interval of the mean.

So where have I gone wrong here?
 
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A confidence interval does not describe a "range of possible values." (This sounds more like a prediction interval.) A confidence interval at the x% level for a certain parameter will contain the true value of that parameter x% of the time. For example, a confidence interval for the mean of a sample can be calculated from the sample standard deviation and the number of observations (it's approximately [itex]1.96\mathrm{SD}/\sqrt{N}[/itex] for a Gaussian distribution, a 95% CI, and large [itex]N[/itex]), but it's not the same as the sample standard deviation. Also, there is a confidence interval for the sample standard deviation itself (and this confidence interval may or may not contain the true population standard deviation), but that's a side issue that doesn't enter into the question of how to estimate the true population mean. Does this answer your question?
 
when we did our calculations, i think we were given the population SD.

The smaller your population SD the smallar the confidence interval (not percentage size, but value size). I considered the fact that there is uncertainty with regards to the population SD that one should use the maximum possible SD for a population. This maximum would result if all the observations were evenly the highest possible and lowest possible observation. As it is assumed that the population is unlimited any sample results will be outweighed entirely by the possible highest and lowest observations.

So on second thought my question is how does one estimate the population mean, with only sample statistics?
 
striphe said:
So on second thought my question is how does one estimate the population mean, with only sample statistics?

With the average of the sample values.
 
And give it a confidence interval
 
Is the data Gaussian? If so, the confidence interval is the mean plus or minus the t statistic times the standard error. (For large N, the 95% t statistic is 1.96, as I wrote above.) More http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval" .
 
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