Confidence with maths/physics goes as tan(t)?

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The discussion revolves around the emotional ups and downs experienced by individuals engaged in mathematics and physics. Participants share personal anecdotes about their confidence levels fluctuating in relation to their understanding and problem-solving abilities in these subjects.

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  • One participant describes their confidence in math and physics as fluctuating dramatically, akin to the tangent function, with feelings of success followed by significant drops in confidence when encountering challenging problems.
  • Another participant suggests that their experience could be modeled on a complex plane, hinting at a deeper mathematical analogy.
  • Several participants express feelings of depression associated with the problem-solving process, noting the emotional toll of prolonged contemplation and the comparison to others' abilities.
  • One participant mentions the satisfaction derived from solving problems, despite the preceding struggles, emphasizing the rewarding nature of the highs following a solution.
  • Another participant introduces the term "intellectual sadomasochism" to describe the complex emotional relationship with mathematics, highlighting the paradox of enjoyment amidst frustration.
  • A reference to "post-success depression" is made, likening the emotional aftermath of solving a problem to feelings experienced after significant life events, such as childbirth.

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Am I the only one whos confidence with maths and physics goes as tan(t)?
It's been going like this for the past ~2 years..

I'll be learning from a book pretty well, I'll get all the problems done and I'll feel on top of the world, then something will come along, it might be a skipped step in a derivation or a later problem that uses something that was in a previous chapter and I'll be stuck on it for the longest time and bam, my confidence in my abilities shoots away down to -inf, only to get built back up to +inf in the next few chapters.

Every time I go to learn something.. every time

Anyone else got any similar stories?
 

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mine has to be modeled on a complex plane
 
Being a mathematician is a very depressing something:

We see a problem, we think about it for hours and days. We don't sleep because we're thinking about the problem. We feel sad because we think others might have found it immediately.
Then we find it and we think we're stupid because the answer was so easy and we should have found it immediately. So we feel depressed about not feeling smart enough.
Then we try another problem and the process repeats.

And then somebody asks us why we do mathematics? Well, because we like it. :biggrin:

It are the highs right after finding a solution that makes all of it worthwhile.
 
micromass said:
Being a mathematician is a very depressing something:

We see a problem, we think about it for hours and days. We don't sleep because we're thinking about the problem. We feel sad because we think others might have found it immediately.
Then we find it and we think we're stupid because the answer was so easy and we should have found it immediately. So we feel depressed about not feeling smart enough.
Then we try another problem and the process repeats.

And then somebody asks us why we do mathematics? Well, because we like it. :biggrin:

It are the highs right after finding a solution that makes all of it worthwhile.

I remember twofish-quant referring to this as a kind of "intellectual sadimasochism (or sadism)".

Every time I visit this forum and see some of the knowledge and insight on these forums, it's amazing. It's kind of like a huge slap in the face when you think you know even a little bit about science/engineering/mathematics/etc.
 
chiro said:
I remember twofish-quant referring to this as a kind of "intellectual sadimasochism (or sadism)".

At work we call it "post-success depression". A bit like post-natal depression, after giving birth to your intellectual baby. Suddenly not having a reason for working 90 hours week on a problem can be very disorienting!
 

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