Confusing index notation involving grad of w cross r

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the gradient of the squared magnitude of the cross product of two vectors, specifically \((\mathbf{w} \times \mathbf{r})^2\), where \(\mathbf{r}\) is the position vector expressed in Cartesian components and \(\mathbf{w}\) is a fixed vector with constant components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of index notation to express the gradient of a scalar function and the scalar product of vectors. There is confusion regarding the initial steps in applying index notation for this problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are seeking clarification on the expression for the gradient in index notation and how to represent the scalar product and cross product of vectors in this format. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the scalar function involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the components of vector \(\mathbf{w}\) do not depend on the Cartesian coordinates, which may influence the evaluation of the gradient.

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Homework Statement



consider the position vector expressed in terms of its cartesian components, r=xiei. Let w=wjej be a fixed vector whose components wj are constants that do not depend on the xi, so that δwj/δxi = 0


Homework Equations



I am trying to evaluate ∇((wXr)^2)



The Attempt at a Solution

 
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troytroy said:

Homework Statement



consider the position vector expressed in terms of its cartesian components, r=xiei. Let w=wjej be a fixed vector whose components wj are constants that do not depend on the xi, so that δwj/δxi = 0


Homework Equations



I am trying to evaluate ∇((wXr)^2)



The Attempt at a Solution


Hi troytroy, welcome to PF!:smile:

What have you tried and where are you stuck?
 
I am getting confused on where to begin when using index notation for these kind of problems
 
troytroy said:
I am getting confused on where to begin when using index notation for these kind of problems

Well, here you are being asked to calulate the gradient of some scalar function, so a good place to start would be to look up the expression for the gradient of a general scalar function [itex]f[/itex] in index notation. What is that?

Next consider that in this case, the scalar function in question is the scalar product of of a vector with itself, [itex](\mathbf{w}\times\mathbf{r})^2[/itex] (the norm-squared of a vector is usually written as [itex]||\mathbf{v}||^2[/itex], but some authors will use more clumsy notation and just call it [itex]\mathbf{v}^2[/itex]. Either way the norm-squared of a vector is given by the scalar product of a vector with itself). So, how do you express the scalar product of a vector with itself in index notation?

Finally, consider that the vector whose norm-square you are taking the gradient of is, in this case, the cross product of a vector with another vector, [itex]\mathbf{w}\times\mathbf{r}[/itex]. How do you represent a cross product like this in index notation?
 

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