Confusing Integration Example: Solving Problems with Constant Factors of n

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The discussion revolves around integration problems involving a constant factor of \( n \) and the process of substitution in integration, particularly focusing on the integral \(\int\sqrt{1 + e^{4x^{3}}}e^{4x^{3}}x^{2}dx\). Participants express confusion about the derivation of certain factors in the integration process and the application of the substitution method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where the constant factor of 12 in the integration example comes from, expressing confusion about the relationship between \( du \) and the integrand.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivative of \( 4x^3 \) should be considered in the context of finding \( du \), leading to further questions about how to handle terms in the integral.
  • There is a discussion about whether to add or replace terms when substituting \( u \) and how to manage constants outside the integral.
  • Participants explore the implications of taking the derivative of \( u \) and how it relates to the original integral, with some suggesting that the expression can be simplified to \( \frac{1}{12}du \).
  • One participant shares a practice problem result and questions a discrepancy in the answer compared to a solution in the back of a textbook, leading to further exploration of the substitution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the integration process, with some agreeing on the need to consider derivatives and constants, while others remain confused about the application of these concepts. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to the integration problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of recognizing the derivative of \( u \) and how it interacts with other terms in the integral, but there are unresolved questions about the handling of constants and the substitution method.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying integration techniques, particularly those struggling with substitution methods and the handling of constant factors in integrals.

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So, um, I am getting confused on integration problems where you have to do something with "a constant factor of n". Like, this example...

\int\sqrt{1 + e^{4x^{3}}}e^{4x^{3}}x^{2}dx

Then the example says to match it to the formula \int u^{n}du

Okay... so it does that, but then... something I don't quite understand happens. It says that "du = e^{4x^{3}}(12x^{2})" WAIT? WHERE DID THE 12 COME FROM? Then it says that "our integrand contains all of du except for the constant factor of 12" Then it does this...

\frac{1}{12}\int(1 + e^{4x^{3}})^{1/2} e^{4x^{3}}(12x^{2})dx

Then it integrates like normal... but... WHERE DID THE 12 COME FROM? I don't know why, it just isn't obvious where this "constant factor of 12" came from?
 
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What is the derivative of 4x^3?
 
So wait, I have to find the derivative of the exponent then add it to the terms in du? Like, there was an x^2 so I add 12x^2 to that and then take the reciprocal of 12 and move it outside the integral?
 
Seriously, somebody, I feel dumb because I am not getting this like am I supposed to find the derivative of u then add/multiply by the other thing?? UHHHHH...
 
If you compared the integrals, presumably the example then wants to substitute ##u = \sqrt{1 + e^{4x^3}}##

So what does ##du/dx## equal?
 
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So wait, I have to find the derivative of the exponent then add it to the terms in du? Like, there was an x^2 so I add 12x^2 to that and then take the reciprocal of 12 and move it outside the integral?
No.
What is the derivative of 1+e^(4x^3)??
 
Um I think this is the derivative..

\frac{du}{dx} = 12x^{2}e^{4x^{3}}

OH OH OH! I'M SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE DERIVATIVE OF U THEN ADD IT TO THE OTHER PART? Right? And when do I have to move a constant factor outside the integral?
 
Now, I hope you see that 1=1/12*12.

Thus, we recognize that the expression in your original integral, "e^(4x^3)x^2dx"=1/12du"
Agreed?
Furthermore, the square root thing is now to be written as sqrt(u). Agreed?
 
Yes, I know 1/12(12)=1 and sure, sqrt(u). Oh wait... du means... derivative of u... okay but what happens to the things that aren't part of u?
 
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So, then you have no further problems? :smile:
 
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Well actually one last thing, what happens to stuff that isn't a part of u? Like the x^2 outside of sqrt(u)?
 
  • #12
Read your own post 7 again.
 
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Oh wait I don't add it... I replace it? OR DO I ADD IT? Lol I'm confusing myself now.
 
  • #14
Okay I figured it out and worked a practice problem, the answers are at the back of the book but... I got:

-\frac{(cos2x + 1)^{3/2}}{3/2} + C

However, the answer to the practices in the back of the book says it is over 3 not 3/2? What happened here, I'm sure it's algebraic but still...

Wait... is it because du = -2sin2x? Then the -2 would be in front and the 2's cancel? Is that right?
 
  • #15
How do you expect us to verify your answer without first knowing the initial question?

If your answer is true though, then the question must be this:

\int 2\sin(2x)\sqrt{\cos(2x)+1}\,dx

which is easily integrable (what is the derivative of \cos(2x)+1?)
 

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