Confusing Stoichiometry Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a stoichiometry problem involving the production of chlorine gas from a chemical reaction. Participants are focused on calculating the mass of potassium permanganate (KMnO4) required to produce a specified volume of chlorine gas at standard temperature and pressure (STP), as well as determining the volume of commercial hydrochloric acid needed for the reaction.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the mass of KMnO4 needed to produce 2.5 L of Cl2 gas as 7.05 g, but another participant questioned this result, suggesting it might be too low and requested to see the calculations.
  • Another participant confirmed their calculation of 7.051 g, indicating some agreement on this value.
  • A participant acknowledged a mistake in using the density of Cl2 from WolframAlpha, which they noted was inappropriate for STP conditions.
  • There was a discussion about the density of liquid Cl2 being referenced, which some participants found confusing in the context of STP.
  • A participant expressed regret for not adhering to a personal rule about verifying the order of magnitude of numerical answers, suggesting they should have checked their result against the ideal gas law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculated mass of KMnO4 but express uncertainty about the appropriateness of the density used for Cl2. There is no consensus on the calculations for part B regarding the volume of hydrochloric acid required, as the discussion has not progressed to that point.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the density of chlorine gas and its application at STP, as well as the calculations for the hydrochloric acid volume, which have not been fully explored.

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I got this question as an example question and I have no clue on how to solve part B

Chlorine can be produced by the reaction:
2KMnO4 + 16HCl ->2KCl + 2MnCl2 + 5Cl2 + 8H2O
(a)What mass of KMnO4 is required to produce 2.5 L of Cl2 gas measured at STP?

For part A I got 7.05 g ( 0.044615 moll)
(b) Calculate the volume of commercial hydrochloric acid required (Commercial grade hydrochloric acid is 36.0% HCl by weight, and has a density of 1.18 g mL^(–1)).
 
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pure kirk said:
I got this question as an example question and I have no clue on how to solve part B

Chlorine can be produced by the reaction:
2KMnO4 + 16HCl ->2KCl + 2MnCl2 + 5Cl2 + 8H2O
(a)What mass of KMnO4 is required to produce 2.5 L of Cl2 gas measured at STP?

For part A I got 7.05 g ( 0.044615 moll)
That is much too low. Please show your calculations.

pure kirk said:
(b) Calculate the volume of commercial hydrochloric acid required (Commercial grade hydrochloric acid is 36.0% HCl by weight, and has a density of 1.18 g mL^(–1)).
Can you start by figuring what mass of HCl you need?
 
DrClaude said:
That is much too low. Please show your calculations.

I got 7.051 g as well:

 
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I'm sorry for the mistake. I used the density of Cl2 given by WolframAlpha, which is much higher.
 
Looks like they are listing density of a liquid Cl2 - which doesn't make much sense at STP...
 
Borek said:
Looks like they are listing density of a liquid Cl2 - which doesn't make much sense at STP...

Indeed. Very strange.

I feel ashamed because I didn't follow the rule that I always tell my students: when you get a numerical answer, always try to figure out if the order of magnitude makes sense. I should've checked with the ideal gas law...
 

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