Confusion about Dirac notation

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The discussion revolves around the use of Dirac notation in quantum mechanics, specifically concerning the raising and lowering operators in the context of the harmonic oscillator. Participants explore the implications of these operators on eigenstates and the relationships between them, addressing questions about simplifications and interpretations of expressions involving inner products.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the expression #### without specific definitions for n and m.
  • Another participant suggests that n and m are likely eigenkets of the harmonic oscillator, referencing the Hamiltonian operator's action on these states.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to simplify the expression involving the raising and lowering operators, indicating a lack of familiarity with Dirac notation.
  • A participant provides a formula for the action of the sum of the raising and lowering operators on the state |m⟩, leading to a specific expression involving states |m-1⟩ and |m+1⟩.
  • Discussion includes the importance of the orthonormality of the basis states, noting that the inner product ##\langle n|m\rangle## is zero for different states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the discussion pertains to the harmonic oscillator and the properties of eigenstates. However, there is no consensus on the simplification process or the interpretation of the expressions involving the raising and lowering operators.

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Limitations include the lack of specific definitions for n and m, as well as the need for further context to fully understand the application of the raising and lowering operators in Dirac notation.

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Using that ##\hat{a} =a = \sqrt{\frac{mw}{2 \hbar}} \hat{x} +\frac{i}{\sqrt{2mw \hbar}} \hat{p}## and ## a \dagger = \sqrt{\frac{mw}{2 \hbar}} \hat{x} -\frac{i}{\sqrt{2mw \hbar}} \hat{p}##

We can solve for x in term of the lowering and raising operator.

Now, recently I read a derivation of ##<n| \hat{x} |m> (1)##.

Question 1: n and m were never specified, so what does the above expression actually mean?

By substitution, we can rewrite (1) to ##\sqrt{\frac{ \hbar}{2mw}} <n| (a + a \dagger )|m>##(2)

Question 2: I'm a little confused about how I can simplify the above expression. I'm not super familiar with Dirac notation. I know very well the definition of the raising and lowering operators. But can someone fill in the blanks of how they get from (2) to ## \sqrt{\frac{ \hbar}{2mw}} \cdot ( \sqrt{m} \delta_{n, m-1} + \sqrt{m+1} \delta_{n, m+1})##? No relation between n and m is defined.

That is not clear to me.
 
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More context would be necessary for 100% certainty, but these appear to be eigenkets of the harmonic oscillator, such that
$$
\hat{H} | n \rangle = \hbar \omega \left(n + \frac{1}{2} \right) | n \rangle
$$

As for the second question, you need to know the action of the raising and lowering operators of those eigenkets: ##\hat{a} | n \rangle = ?##. I'll let you look it up in your textbook.
 
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DrClaude said:
More context would be necessary for 100% certainty, but these appear to be eigenkets of the harmonic oscillator, such that
$$
\hat{H} | n \rangle = \hbar \omega \left(n + \frac{1}{2} \right) | n \rangle
$$

As for the second question, you need to know the action of the raising and lowering operators of those eigenkets: ##\hat{a} | n \rangle = ?##. I'll let you look it up in your textbook.
Yes you are right that we are looking at harmonic oscillators.

And yes I know the definitions of the ladder operators (figure attached).

Skärmavbild 2018-11-18 kl. 13.45.18.png


But I still don't follow, because I don't know how to apply the sum of the ladder operators on the two states with the Dirac-notation in (2). Simply an algebra problem.

Can I rewrite (2) so I can see perhaps more clearly about what's going on?
 

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So given those facts about ##\hat{a}## and ##\hat{a}^\dagger##, you immediately get:

##(\hat{a} + \hat{a}^\dagger) |m\rangle = \sqrt{m} |m -1\rangle + \sqrt{m+1} |m+1\rangle##

The final fact that you need is: What is the value of ##\langle n|m\rangle##? The whole point of an orthonormal basis is that different basis elements are orthogonal (they give 0 inner product).
 
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