Confusion over the definition of Lie Derivative of a Vector Field

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The discussion centers on the definition and properties of the Lie Derivative of a vector field, specifically L_X Y, defined as L_X Y := \operatorname{\frac{d}{dt}} |_{t=0} (\phi_t^*Y), where \phi_t is the flow of vector field X. Participants express confusion regarding the differentiability of this expression and its validity across the manifold M, particularly when the flow is restricted to a smaller open set V. The smoothness of the flow and the behavior of the vector field under this flow are critical points of clarification, with references to the Jacobian and explicit calculations provided for further understanding.

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Hello all, I was hoping someone would be able to clarify this issue I am having with the Lie Derivative of a vector field.

We define the lie derivative of a vector field Y with respect to a vector field X to be

L_X Y :=\operatorname{\frac{d}{dt}} |_{t=0} (\phi_t^*Y), where \phi_t is the flow of X. Now how do I know this thing is differentiable? And also, I'm not sure why this thing is a vector field on M because what if our flow is only defined on a smaller open set V \subseteq M, and then for p \in M\setminus V surely (L_X Y)_p doesn't make sense as a vector in T_p M ?

Anyway thank you, any help would be appreciated.
 
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First concern: You know that phi varies smoothly with t. Go through the definitions to discover that wrt some fixed basis d/dx^i of T_pM, ((\phi_t)_*Y)(p)=\sum_ia_i(t,p)\frac{ \partial}{ \partial x^i} with a_i(t,p) smooth in t.

Second concern: the flow of any time-independent vector field is defined at all points p of M for a certain time interval (-\epsilon_p,\epsilon_p)
 
Thanks for your response. I understand the 2nd concern but I still have trouble with the first. I cannot see why that statement is true. I know that \phi_t ^* Y is a vector field, so \phi_t^* Y |_p \in T_p M , i.e.

\phi_t^* Y |_p = \displaystyle\sum_i a_i^t (p) \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i }\Big|_p where for fixed t, p \mapsto a_i^t (p) is smooth. But why for fixed p, is t \mapsto a_i^t(p) smooth?

I have that \phi_t^* Y |_p (g) = Y(g \circ \phi_t ^{-1})|_{\phi_t(p)} incidentally. Thanks for any help
 
You're not "going through the definitions" deep enough. What I was suggesting is for you to find an explicit expression for the a_i(t,p).
 
Hello I have tried to do this using the Jacobian but I am not getting anywhere at all
 
Hello,

I have managed to calculate that

\phi_{-t}^*\left( \displaystyle\frac{\partial}{\partial x_j} \Bigg|_{\phi_t(p)} \right)= \displaystyle\sum_{i,j} \frac{\partial \phi^i}{\partial x_j}(-t, \phi_t(p)) \frac{\partial}{\partial x_j} \Bigg|_p,

although in Loring Tu's book the same calculation gives

\phi_{-t}^*\left( \displaystyle\frac{\partial}{\partial x_j} \Bigg|_{\phi_t(p)} \right)= \displaystyle\sum_{i,j} \frac{\partial \phi^i}{\partial x_j}(-t, p) \frac{\partial}{\partial x_j} \Bigg|_p.

Which is correct, and should it matter in the argument?

Thanks for help so far.
 

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