Confusion related to momentum eigenstates

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The discussion revolves around the properties and implications of momentum eigenstates in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on their representation in position space and the normalization conditions associated with infinite-dimensional bases. Participants explore the mathematical consistency of these representations and the potential contradictions that arise from them.

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  • One participant presents the eigenvalue problem for the momentum operator and derives the position representation of momentum eigenstates, suggesting a potential contradiction with the normalization condition.
  • Another participant references a theorem from Fourier analysis to argue that the consistency between position and momentum eigenbases is maintained, providing a mathematical expression to support this claim.
  • A different participant reiterates concerns about the implications of projecting position states onto momentum states, emphasizing that this leads to infinite results, which they argue contradicts the derived expression for .
  • Another participant challenges the method of expanding momentum states into the position basis, suggesting that the identity operator should be used instead, and provides an alternative formulation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the mathematical arguments presented, particularly questioning the presence of diverging factors in the calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the mathematical treatment of momentum eigenstates and their relationship to position eigenstates. There is no consensus on whether the derived expressions are consistent or if they lead to contradictions.

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Participants highlight potential issues with normalization and the treatment of infinite-dimensional bases, but do not resolve these concerns. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical implications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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When we deal with an infinite-dimensional basis,the normalization condition of this basis becomes <x|x'>=δ(x-x')(here for example the position basis).Same thing for momentum eigenstates <p|p'>=δ(p-p').
Lets look now on the eigenvalue problem of the momentum operator:
\hat p | p \rangle =p | p\rangle
projecting \langle x | on both sides this will yield to a differential equation of the form :

-iħ\frac{d\psi_{p}(x)}{dx}=p\psi_{p}(x)

where \psi_{p}(x)=\langle x | p\rangle

this will finally yield that \psi_{p}(x)=\frac{1}{√(2πħ)}e^{ipx/ħ}

so | p \rangle \leftrightarrow \frac{1}{√2πħ} (e^{ ipx_{1} } | x_{1} \rangle +e^{ ipx_{2} } |x_{2} \rangle+ . . . . . +e^{ ipx_{n} } | x_{n} \rangle) where n goes to infinity and x_{n}=x_{n-1}+dx
but doesn't this violate<x|x'>=δ(x-x')? since if we project,for example,<x1| on |p> and we take by consideration δ(x-x')=<x|x'>, the result will be <x|p>=∞ and not \frac{1}{√2πħ}e^{ ipx_{1} } ?
 
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I do not understand what you mean with the last paragraph. The consistency between the generalized position and momentum eigen bases is given by a well-known theorem in Fourier analysis:
$$\langle x|x' \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} p \langle x|p \rangle \langle p|x' \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} p \frac{1}{2 \pi \hbar} \exp[\mathrm{i} p(x-x')/\hbar]=\delta(x-x').$$
 
vanhees71 said:
I do not understand what you mean with the last paragraph.

I mean multiply <x1| by |p> , the result will be 1/√(2πħ) *exp(ipx1)*<x1|x1> and as <x1|x1>=∞ then <x1|p>=∞ and not 1/√(2πħ)*exp(ipx1).
 
amjad-sh said:
##| p \rangle \leftrightarrow \frac{1}{√2πħ} (e^{ ipx_{1} } | x_{1} \rangle +e^{ ipx_{2} } |x_{2} \rangle+ . . . . . +e^{ ipx_{n} } | x_{n} \rangle)##
That's where the mistake lies because that's not the proper way to expand a state into position basis. You should instead operate the identity operator ##1 = \int |x\rangle \langle x| dx## to the ket ##|p\rangle##.
$$
|p\rangle = \int |x\rangle \langle x|p\rangle dx
$$
You can easily see if you project this onto certain position basis ##|x'\rangle##, you will obtain what you want.
 
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amjad-sh said:
I mean multiply <x1| by |p> , the result will be 1/√(2πħ) *exp(ipx1)*<x1|x1> and as <x1|x1>=∞ then <x1|p>=∞ and not 1/√(2πħ)*exp(ipx1).
I don't understand your math at all. As you have derived correctly yourself, the generalized momentum eigenstates in the position representation read
$$u_p(x)=\langle x|p \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi \hbar}} \exp(\mathrm{i} p x)$$
without any undetermined (diverging) factors.
 

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