Connected sets in a topological space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of connected sets within a topological space, particularly focusing on the definition and implications of connectedness for subsets of topological spaces. Participants explore the intuitive understanding of connectedness and provide examples to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the intuitive understanding of connectedness, specifically regarding the union of sets in the context of the real numbers with the usual topology.
  • Another participant points out that the sets [0,1] and [2,3] are closed in R but open in the relative topology of their union.
  • A third participant challenges the initial definition of connectedness, asserting that it applies differently to subsets of topological spaces and introduces the concept of separated sets, providing a formal definition involving closures.
  • The same participant provides an example using the sets [0,1] and [2,3] to illustrate their point about connectedness and separated sets.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of separated sets and suggests a possible typo in the mathematical notation used.
  • The participant who made the typo acknowledges the error in their LaTeX notation and corrects it in their original post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of connectedness, particularly in relation to subsets of topological spaces. There is no consensus reached on the initial definition presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of definitions in topology, particularly regarding the notions of open and closed sets in different topological contexts. The reliance on relative topology and the implications for connectedness are also noted.

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The definition of Y being connected in a topological space (X, tau) is that you can't find two non-empty, open and disjoint sets whose union is Y.

This doesn't quite make much intuitive sense to me.

For example, consider R with the usual topology. Then clearly, Y= [0,1] union [2,3] is not connected. That means you CAN find two non-empty, open and disjoint, sets whose union is Y. But what are they?

I can't seem to think of 2 open sets in R whose union is [0,1] union [2,3].
 
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The set [0,1] is closed in R, but open in the relative topology of Y (with respect to the usual topology on R). The same is true of [2,3].
 
The problem is that your definition is wrong.

A topological space is connected if and only if you cannot find two such open sets. That is not the case for a subset of a topological space. (You can also replace "open" with "closed".)

For a subset, A, of a topological space, X, A is connected if and only if it is not the union of two separated sets.

Sets, U and V, are said to be separated if and only if [itex]\overline{U}\cap V= \phi[/itex] and [itex]U\cap \overline{V}= \phi[/itex], where [itex]\overline{U}[/itex] is its closure.

In your example, we can take U= [0, 1] and V= [2, 3].

Of course, we can always think of a subset of a topological space as being a topological space with the relative topology: A subset of A is open "in A" if and only if it is the intersection of A with a set open in X.

If [itex]A= [0, 1]\cup [2, 3][/itex], then, since [itex][0, 1]= A\cup (-1/2, 3/2)[/itex] and [itex][2, 3]= A\cap (3/2, 7/2)[/itex] both [0, 1] and [2, 3] are open in A (or "open relative to A").

Notice that, in A (or "relative to A") [0, 1] is the complement of [2, 3] and [2, 3] is open, so [0, 1] is also closed. Similarly [2, 3] is also both open and closed in A. It is always true that "connectedness components" of a space (connected sets not properly contained in any connected set) are both open and closed.
 
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Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure what your definition of separated sets is meant to say though, I think you made a typo there.
 
You are right. For some reason I used \overbar(U) instead of \overline in my LaTex to denote "closure" and it didn't work! I have editted my original post.
 
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