Consciousness and the Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between consciousness and quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on interpretations such as the Many-Worlds and Bohmian interpretations. Participants explore whether consciousness can be scientifically deduced from quantum physics and examine various philosophical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Philosophical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Kristof Koch's views on consciousness, noting that he does not support the idea that consciousness is inherently quantum mechanical, contrasting with claims made by others like Penrose.
  • There is mention of the 'hard problem' of consciousness, with some arguing that it remains fundamentally insolvable within current scientific methods, as it cannot explain the existence of immaterial qualia.
  • Participants express skepticism regarding the philosophical explanations for quantum mechanics, questioning whether such explanations can be valid.
  • One participant draws an analogy between understanding consciousness and the historical understanding of DNA, suggesting that detailed study may eventually yield insights.
  • References to various resources and studies are provided, including links to articles and discussions on synchronicity phenomena and interdisciplinary approaches to consciousness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views, with no consensus on the relationship between consciousness and quantum mechanics. Disagreement exists regarding the implications of Koch's arguments and the solvability of the hard problem.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of consciousness and quantum mechanics, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to various philosophical and scientific perspectives that are not resolved.

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Dear participants and visitors of a forum !


By the present moment, very many publications on a subject "Consciousness and the Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics" have collected.

It, first of all, concerns to "Many-worlds interpretation" and "Bohmian interpretation" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie–Bohm_theory

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/

These interpretations were discussing at this forum often and in the details.

However there is a doubt that the consciousness nature can be deduced from quantum physics standings on a scientific basis.

Therefore I suggest to consider these materials:

http://www.neuroquantology.com/repository/index.php?option=com_sobi2&catid=2&Itemid=66

http://www.quantum-mind.co.uk/

http://philpapers.org/browse/consciousness-and-the-interpretation-of-quantum-mechanics

http://philpapers.org/browse/quantum-mechanisms-of-consciousness

http://consc.net/online/8.9a

http://consc.net/online/8.9b

Keyword: consciousness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness


Also, dear participants and visitors of a forum, I ask that you excused me - my English is bad. I am from Ukraine.
 
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Kristof Koch (who studies consciousness at the neural level) does not deny that in a reductionist way, qm is responsible for consciousness. However, he's disputes the claims of people like Penrose who propose that consciousness itself is quantum mechanical in nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B2180I8b5Q
 
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Kristof Koch admits the existence of the 'hard problem', but believes that by understanding the 'easy problem' the solution to the hard problem will become clear. However I haven't seen him give any argument as to why this is the case.
 
Sorry, Christof Koch. But yeah, I haven't seen that explanation either.
 
Can there really be a philosophical explanation for quantum mechanics?
 
madness said:
Kristof Koch admits the existence of the 'hard problem', but believes that by understanding the 'easy problem' the solution to the hard problem will become clear. However I haven't seen him give any argument as to why this is the case.

This is a general principle. If you were operating under the premise of say, a flat earth, your ability to explain the motion of stellar bodies is going to severely limited. Or say, trying to understand quantum phenomenon without undertstanding Newtonian physics.
 
The hard problem of consciousness is considered by most people to be fundamentally insolvable within the current scientific method. No amount of knowledge of the material interactions in the brain can explain the existence of the immaterial qualia. And Kristof Koch accepts the existence of these immaterial qualia.
 
http://e-learning.onu.edu.ua/stati/igor-v-limar-synchronicity-phenomena-by-c-g-jung-perspectives-of-study-and-possible-psychophysiological-substantiation.html
Directions of researches, considering in any event the complex of phenomena specified in terminology of analytical psychology author, Carl G. Jung, as “synchronicity phenomena”, were considered. On the basis of available data the original concept was proposed, which could make it possible to provide a theoretical basis, interpreting observations of famous researchers, including from the psychophysiology position. Interdisciplinary approach is applied in this material taking into consideration state-of-the-art progress of the modern science
 
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qedprigmosyno said:
Can there really be a philosophical explanation for quantum mechanics?
Here's a link:
http://www.ctns.org/books.html"
Click on the "Quantum Mechanics" book icon, and then on the right hand frame "Chiao"
 
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madness said:
Kristof Koch admits the existence of the 'hard problem', but believes that by understanding the 'easy problem' the solution to the hard problem will become clear. However I haven't seen him give any argument as to why this is the case.

If I remember rightly, he's used the analogy of DNA: how could something as unassuming as this molecule once appeared lead to the miracle of life? The moral being that the answer eventually came by careful study of the details, rather than by abstract pondering.
 

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