Consequences of time not being continuous

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time being non-continuous and its implications for mathematics and physics. Participants explore the foundational assumptions of continuous time in mathematical models and the potential consequences of considering time as discrete.

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  • Some participants question the validity of the original poster's assertion about time's continuity and its implications for integration and differentiation. Others discuss the nature of analog to digital converters and their relation to continuous versus discrete systems. There is also a challenge to define the consensus on the understanding of time among physicists.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering differing viewpoints on the nature of time and its mathematical treatment. Some guidance is provided regarding the need for clarity in claims about time's continuity, while others express skepticism about the original premise. There is no explicit consensus, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Given that the phenomena of time is non continuous, despite it often being considered as being so, what are the consequences of this? It seems that the foundation of mathematics that describes the physical world assumes that time is continuous, which we believe now to be false. I know that the difference between continuous and non continuous is very small for time, but even a little bit off has major consequences. Doing something like integration or differentiation becomes very difficult.

Or say for example analog to digital converters convert a continuous system to a discrete one, but what is actually going on is that we are converting an already discrete system to a discrete system with a higher sample time.

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YoshiMoshi said:

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Given that the phenomena of time is non continuous, despite it often being considered as being so, what are the consequences of this? It seems that the foundation of mathematics that describes the physical world assumes that time is continuous, which we believe now to be false. I know that the difference between continuous and non continuous is very small for time, but even a little bit off has major consequences. Doing something like integration or differentiation becomes very difficult.
The mathematical definitions of integration and differentiation are not changed. They do not depend on how the math is being applied to any particular physical situation. The truth is that the physics at that quantum level is handled with entirely different mathematics anyway.
Or say for example analog to digital converters convert a continuous system to a discrete one, but what is actually going on is that we are converting an already discrete system to a discrete system with a higher sample time.
I'm not sure what you mean here. The sample time of any analog to digital converter is much too great to require any quantum-time considerations.

PS. Is this really a homework problem? It didn't look like it so I replied here as though it is not. If it really is homework, you should show your ideas and work and we are only allowed to ask leading questionss and give hints.
 
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Given that the phenomena of time is non continuous, despite it often being considered as being so, what are the consequences of this? It seems that the foundation of mathematics that describes the physical world assumes that time is continuous, which we believe now to be false. I know that the difference between continuous and non continuous is very small for time, but even a little bit off has major consequences. Doing something like integration or differentiation becomes very difficult.

None of this is true. I think you have picked up some wrong ideas from somewhere.
 
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It does seem to be a rather bold statement to say "we know" that time is non-continuous. Can you define what group of physicists you mean by "we?" Of course we need to be very careful in physics about using the term "we know."

Are you perhaps thinking about some speculations that the universe is a type of computer simulation, i.e. "digital physics?" Zuse wrote the seminal paper on this decades ago, called "Calculating Space." Although fascinating as a speculation, I think it's fair to say it's not a mainstream area of physics research at this time.

In any case, here is a previous discussion from PF on a question that seems related to your question.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-time-continuous.3396/
 

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