Conservation of energy and wave function collapse

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The discussion centers on the assertion that the collapse of the wave function in standard quantum mechanics (SQT) violates conservation of energy, as outlined in the paper “Wavefunction Collapse and Conservation Law.” Participants argue that while unitary dynamics in quantum mechanics respects conservation laws, the collapse postulate lacks a well-defined dynamics, leading to potential violations. The conversation also highlights that measurements involve interactions with other systems, complicating the conservation of energy for isolated quantum systems. The debate touches on various interpretations of quantum mechanics, including objective-collapse models and the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), with differing views on energy conservation implications.

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  • #31
pines-demon said:
You put some energy to prepare the state, then you measure some energy (plus the energy you gain-lose in order to perform the measurement).
Doing this requires considering the system you are measuring as an open system--it exchanges energy with other systems, during measurement, and also, as you point out, during preparation. So you would not expect the energy of the system alone to be conserved at all; it's an open system. To evaluate conservation of energy at all, you would need to include other systems as well. (And you still have the issue @Nugatory raised in post #31 to deal with.)

But the point is that the paper referenced in the OP does not do any of that. It only looks at the system being measured (and as far as I can tell, it does not look at the preparation process at all). So any evaluation it makes of conservation of energy can't possibly be correct.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
If one accepts that the quantum mechanical state function ##\Psi## is nothing more than a catalog of knowledge following from one observed fact and determining the probabilities for possible future events, issues such as “energy is not conserved in quantum mechanics” become obsolete.
If you take this approach, the question becomes interpretation dependent. And discussion of that aspect belongs in the interpretations subforum.

However, other points being made in this thread are not dependent on any interpretation.
 
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