Conservation of Energy: block on a table

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to the conservation of energy, specifically involving a block on a table with friction. Participants are analyzing the work done by forces, potential energy changes, and kinetic energy calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various equations related to work, potential energy, and kinetic energy. There are attempts to calculate work done and final velocities, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding friction and the setup of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing feedback on the calculations presented. There are indications of differing interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the role of friction and the correct application of equations. Some guidance has been offered, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the roughness of the table and the coefficient of friction as crucial elements that may affect the calculations. There are also references to specific values and assumptions that may not have been clearly defined in the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


∑F=ma
W = - ΔUs
ΔUs = 0.5 k (xƒ)^2 - 0.5 k (xi)^2
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
d = viy t + 0.5 * t^2 * a

The Attempt at a Solution


A) [/B]W = - (0.5 k xƒ^2 - 0.5 k xi^2)
= - (0-100)
W = 100 J
B)
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
100 = 0.5 m vf^2 -0 + 0 - 0.5 k xi ^2
100 = 0.5 * 2 * vf^2 - 0.5 * 2000*(0.1+1.5)
vf = 51.58
C)
∑F=ma

m a = - Fk + F spring
a = ( -4+200)/2 = 196 /2 = 98 m/s^2
d = viy t + 0.5 * t^2 * a
0.3 = 0 + 0.5 * 98 * t^2
t = 0.078 s t = - 0.078 s ( unacceptable)
v = R / t
R = 51.58 * 0.078 = 4.04 m

Please check if it's correct or not.
Thank you
 

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In general, you should write out your reasoning in words and properly define the notation you are using. Not doing so just makes your post difficult to read and decreases your chances of getting meaningful replies.

Fatima Hasan said:
- (0.5 k xƒ^2 - 0.5 k xi^2)
= - (0-100)
What numbers have you used here? Please show your entire computation.

Fatima Hasan said:
B)
W = ΔUs + ΔKE
100 = 0.5 m vf^2 -0 + 0 - 0.5 k xi ^2
100 = 0.5 * 2 * vf^2 - 0.5 * 2000*(0.1+1.5)
vf = 51.58
You seem to be ignoring a crucial point of the problem statement, namely that the table is rough with a given coefficient of friction. Also, what is the 1.5 doing in your expression?
 
I tried to solve it again , here's my work
A)
xi = 0.1 m , xf = 0 m
Ug = 0.5 * k * Δx^2
= 0.5 *2000*(0-0.1)^2
= 10 J
B)
W = Fκd cos θ
Fk = FN μκ = mg μκ
W = 2 * 10 * 0.2 * 1.5 * -1
= - 6 J
W = ΔUg + ΔKE + ΔUs
Δ Ug = 0 (because the height doesn't change)
W = 0.5 k ( xf )^2 - 0.5 k ( xi )^2 + 0.5 m (vf)^2 - 0.5 m (vi)^2
-6 = 0.5 * 2000* (0)^2 - 0.5 * 2000( 0.1 )^2 + 0.5 * 2 * ( vf )^2 - 0.5 *2*(0)^2
v f = √ ((-6+10) / (0.5*2))
v f = 2 m/s
C)
(vfy)^2 = (viy)^2 + 2 a d
(2)^2 = 0 + 2 *a * 1.3
a = 4 / (1.3 *2 ) = 1.5 m/s^2
d = viy t + 0.5 t^2 * a
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 t^2 * 1.5
t = √(1.3 / ( 0.5*1.5)) = 1.31 s ( - 1.31 s unacceptable)
vx = R / t
R = vx * t = 1.316 * 2 = 2.63 m /s
 
You have A and B right.
Fatima Hasan said:
(vfy)^2 = (viy)^2 + 2 a d
Is this supposed to be for the vertical direction? The 2 m/s is horizontal, and the vertical acceleration is known.
 
haruspex said:
You have A and B right.

Is this supposed to be for the vertical direction? The 2 m/s is horizontal, and the vertical acceleration is known.
So , no need to use this equation .. I can find the answer by multiblying the horizontal velocity ( 2 m/s) by the time ( 1.36 ) to get the horizontal distance . Isn't it ?
 
Fatima Hasan said:
So , no need to use this equation .. I can find the answer by multiblying the horizontal velocity ( 2 m/s) by the time ( 1.36 ) to get the horizontal distance . Isn't it ?
You used that (wrong) equation to get the (wrong) 1.316s.
 
haruspex said:
You used that (wrong) equation to get the (wrong) 1.316s.
Since the initial velocity of y component = 0 m/s ( we have only horizontal velocity ) and the vertical distance was given , so I can use this equation :
d = viy + 0.5 * a t^2
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 *10 * t^2 ( assume that downward direction is positive )
so , t = 0.5 s , t = -0.5 s --> invalid value
R = vx * t = 2 * 0.5 = 1 m
Am I right now ?
 
Fatima Hasan said:
Since the initial velocity of y component = 0 m/s ( we have only horizontal velocity ) and the vertical distance was given , so I can use this equation :
d = viy + 0.5 * a t^2
1.3 = 0 + 0.5 *10 * t^2 ( assume that downward direction is positive )
so , t = 0.5 s , t = -0.5 s --> invalid value
R = vx * t = 2 * 0.5 = 1 m
Am I right now ?
Looks good.
 
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