How to get the coefficient of kinetic friction

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of kinetic friction in a scenario involving a block on an incline and a spring. Participants are analyzing the work-energy principle and the forces acting on the block.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of work-energy equations and the decomposition of forces. Questions arise regarding the setup of the problem, particularly the presence of an additional block and the assumptions about its mass and friction with the horizontal surface.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and assumptions made, while others have pointed out potential errors in the values used for spring extension and the interpretation of the diagram. There is ongoing clarification about the initial conditions of the spring and the movement of the block.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the diagram and the relationship between the blocks, as well as the initial state of the spring. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the spring's extension and the forces acting on the block.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


W = ΔUg + ΔkE + ΔUs
KE = 0.5 m v^2
Ug = m g h
Us = 0.5 k x^2

The Attempt at a Solution


k = 60 N/m vi=0 m/s (" the block is released from rest ") xi= 0 m/s ( "the spring is unstreached") vf= 0 m/s xf= 0.2 * sin 37 = 0.2*0.6 = 0.12 m d= 0.2 m hf=0 hi= 0.2*sin37 = 0.12m m= 2 kg μκ = ?
W = Fκ d cos θ
Fk = FN μk
Fk = mg cos θ ( mg must be decompose)
Fk = 2*10*0.8 = 16 N
so , W = 16 * 0.2 * cos 180 * μκ = - 3.2 μκ
W = ΔUg + ΔkE + ΔUs
since the velocity is constant , ΔkE = 0 --> W = Δ Us + ΔUg
- 3.2 μκ = 0.5 k xf^2 - 0.5 * k xi^2 + mghf - mghi
- 3.2 μκ = 0.5 * 60 * ( 0 )^2 - 0.5*60*( 0.12 )^2 + 2*10*0 - 2*10*0.12
- 3.2 μκ = -0.432 - 2.4
- 3.2 μκ = -2.832
μκ = 0.885
This is my tried , but I don't know where is my mistake.
Any help would be greatly appreciated !
 

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The statement of the problem mentions one block on the incline, but the figure shows an additional block on the horizontal surface. Are we to assume that this second block has the same mass as the first one? What about friction between it and the horizontal surface?
 
kuruman said:
The statement of the problem mentions one block on the incline, but the figure shows an additional block on the horizontal surface. Are we to assume that this second block has the same mass as the first one? What about friction between it and the horizontal surface?
I think it's the same object , the block was on the horizontal surface and then it falls down on an incline plane as it shown in the figure.
I calculated the work done by the frictional force . W = Fκ d cos θ , Fκ = FN μκ , since the block will move on the incline , we should decompose mg into its components . So, Fk = μκ * mg cos θ ( the angle between the frictional force and the displacement = 37° )
 
Fatima Hasan said:
- 3.2 μκ = 0.5 * 60 * ( 0 )^2 - 0.5*60*( 0.12 )^2 + 2*10*0 - 2*10*0.12
You have used the wrong value for the spring extension.

The diagram is very strange. The block is never on the horizontal surface.
 
haruspex said:
You have used the wrong value for the spring extension.

The diagram is very strange. The block is never on the horizontal surface.
So , ΔUs = 0, because the spring extension isn't change ?
 
Fatima Hasan said:
So , ΔUs = 0, because the spring extension isn't change ?
No.
The spring is initially relaxed. How far does the block slide? What is the change in the spring extension?
 
haruspex said:
No.
The spring is initially relaxed. How far does the block slide? What is the change in the spring extension?
Got it , thank you .
 

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