How to get the coefficient of kinetic friction?

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The discussion centers around calculating the coefficient of kinetic friction for an object coming to a stop under the influence of a spring force. The original poster presents their calculations and expresses confusion over obtaining an unusually high value for the coefficient.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the coefficient of kinetic friction using work-energy principles and expresses uncertainty about the reasonableness of their result. Some participants suggest sanity-checking the result with alternative reasoning, while others emphasize the importance of unit consistency in calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing supportive feedback on the calculations and exploring the implications of the high coefficient value. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple perspectives on the calculations and their validity are being shared.

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Participants note that the spring constant is relatively low, which may influence the interpretation of the results. The original poster's calculations involve assumptions about constant deceleration and the effects of friction, which are being examined.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


W = Fk d cos θ
Fk = FN μκ

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my work :
m = 1 kg vi = 10 m/s vf = 0 m/s xi = 0 m xf = 0.1 m d = 0.1 m k=60 N/m μκ=?
The work done be the frictional force :
W = Fκ d cos θ = FN*μκ*d*cosθ = mg μκ d cos 180 = - 0.1*10*1 *μκ = - μκ
- μκ = W = ΔKE + ΔUg + ΔUs
ΔUg = 0 , because the height doesn't change
- μκ = 0.5 m vf^2 - 0.5 m vi^2 + 0.5 k ( xf )^2 - 0.5 k ( xi )^2
- μκ = 0 - 0.5 * 1 * 10^2 + 0.5 * 60 *( 0.1 )^2 - 0
- μκ = - 49.7
μκ = 49.7
I don't know why I've got unreasonable answer . Could somebody help me to solve this problem ?
Thanks for your help
 

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Fatima Hasan said:
I've got unreasonable answer
It is large, but not impossible. I see no error in your working.

Edit: 60 N/m is a fairly weak spring.
 
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When in doubt, sanity-check by another approach.

We have an object moving at 10 m/s coming to a stop over a distance of 0.1 meters. If the deceleration were constant (it's not), that would take 0.02 seconds = 20 milliseconds.

10 m/s in 0.02 seconds is 500 meters/sec2 = 50 g's.

The spring, when compressed by 0.1 meters, will produce 6 N. On average (distance-weighted) that would be 3 N. On a one kg mass, that's only 0.3 g.

So a back of the envelope estimate is 49.7 g's from kinetic friction - a coefficient of kinetic friction of 49.7, just as you obtained with the proper analysis.

Edit: [with more significant figures than are warranted for a "g" that is approximated as 10 m/s2].
 
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