Conservation of energy in quantum physics

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy in quantum physics, specifically regarding the behavior of electrons in a hydrogen atom. It highlights that the position of an electron is probabilistic until observed, and any changes in potential energy, angular momentum, or mass must adhere to the principles of quantum mechanics. The conversation clarifies that in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, the mass of particles remains constant and that potential energy and angular momentum also exhibit uncertainty. The distinction between thought experiments and established theories in quantum mechanics is emphasized.

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I am still in secondary school so I probably shouldn't think about things this complicated (at least that's what it seems to me, complicated), but please correct me if I'm wrong. If I recall correctly, the position of an electron is never certain, and always based on probability, unless observed. Now let's do a though experiment in an isolated system:

"The electron of a simple Hydrogen atom is located at 0.1 nm from its single proton when observed, but due to my understanding of how physics works. When - after this observation the electron stays unobserved for a tiny moment of time, and - after that it's been observed at 0.5 nm, it should gain potential enegry fivefold. Also, it's angular momentum should increase, as well as the mass of the entire atom due to E=mc²"

I know I'm probably wrong, and it has something to do with the velocity of the electron changing or something like that, but I was wondering what the actual answer would be, and it's fun to think about.
 
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IAmJustCurious said:
it should gain potential enegry fivefold.
Beside position, the potential energy also has some uncertainty. Thus, saying "it should" will go against the theory.

IAmJustCurious said:
it's angular momentum should increase
Yet another quantity having nonzero uncertainty is the angular momentum.

IAmJustCurious said:
as well as the mass of the entire atom due to E=mc²"
In non-relativistic QM, mass of particles are constant, i.e. it cannot have any other value than what it is already given.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Beside position, the potential energy also has some uncertainty. Thus, saying "it should" will go against the theory.Yet another quantity having nonzero uncertainty is the angular momentum.In non-relativistic QM, mass of particles are constant, i.e. it cannot have any other value than what it is already given.
Thanks for pointing out the holes in my theory.
 
IAmJustCurious said:
Thanks for pointing out the holes in my theory.
Just want to let you know, thought experiment is different from a theory. Speaking of the theory of quantum physics, it has been well developed in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, and these are already mature theories by now.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Just want to let you know, thought experiment is different from a theory. Speaking of the theory of quantum physics, it has been well developed in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, and these are already mature theories by now.
Sorry I should have said something like hypothesis. You're right
 
Hello curious :welcome:

Keep up the curiosity !
 
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