Conservation of Energy with changing masses on ice

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The discussion focuses on the conservation of energy in a collision involving two masses on ice, specifically a 75 kg mass moving at 1.8 m/s colliding with a stationary 52 kg mass. The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.042, leading to a calculated friction force of 52.3 N for both masses combined. The participants confirm that this is a nonelastic collision, where momentum is conserved, but work is not. The total initial kinetic energy is 121 J, and the challenge lies in determining how far the combined masses will slide post-collision.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of conservation of energy principles
  • Familiarity with kinetic energy calculations (Ek=1/2mv^2)
  • Knowledge of work and friction force equations (W=FΔd, Ff=μk(Fn))
  • Concept of momentum in nonelastic collisions (P=mΔv)
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  • Calculate the distance the combined masses slide using the work-energy principle
  • Explore the implications of nonelastic collisions on energy conservation
  • Investigate the effects of varying coefficients of friction on sliding distance
  • Review momentum conservation in multi-mass collision scenarios
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Homework Statement


Mass 1(75kg) glides on ice at 1.8 m/s to a second stationary mass, (52 kg) How far will the pair slide after the collision if the coefficient of kinetic friction between the ice and their skates is .042?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy, Kinetic Energy, Work
Ek=1/2mv^2, W=FΔd, Ff=μk(Fn)

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that all the initial energy (121J) is the moving object's kinetic energy and that the energy is conserved. I'm just confused how I would set up the equation given that the overall mass changes.
The force of friction for the first mass is 31N, and the force of friction for both masses is 52.3. I don't know how to factor this in.
I think this is a nonelastic collision, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Do I use Momentum? P=mΔv
 
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Nojins said:

Homework Statement


Mass 1(75kg) glides on ice at 1.8 m/s to a second stationary mass, (52 kg) How far will the pair slide after the collision if the coefficient of kinetic friction between the ice and their skates is .042?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy, Kinetic Energy, Work
Ek=1/2mv^2, W=FΔd, Ff=μk(Fn)

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that all the initial energy (121J) is the moving object's kinetic energy and that the energy is conserved. I'm just confused how I would set up the equation given that the overall mass changes.
The force of friction for the first mass is 31N, and the force of friction for both masses is 52.3. I don't know how to factor this in.
I think this is a nonelastic collision, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Do I use Momentum? P=mΔv
I think the question is ambiguous, too. Given that it asks how far the pair slides, I think the idea is that the pair of masses merges at the point of collision and they slide together.
Why don't you take a shot a solving it and see what happens?
 
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Nojins said:
that the energy is conserved.
Nojins said:
I think this is a nonelastic collision
So work is not conserved.
 
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