Energy conservation of ice problem

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The problem involves a block of ice sliding on a curved path, with parameters including mass, initial speed, height, and radius of curvature. The focus is on determining the force exerted on the ice by the path at the bottom of the curve, using principles of energy conservation and circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss energy conservation principles and the calculation of final velocity at the bottom of the path. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of forces acting on the ice, particularly the distinction between centripetal force and other forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved, particularly the relationship between centripetal force and the net forces acting on the block. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of centripetal force and its role in the overall force balance.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of common errors in understanding the application of forces in circular motion, indicating a potential misunderstanding of how forces interact in this context.

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A block of ice (that we shall treat as a particle) slides with negligible friction or air resistance on the curved tpath sketched (black line). The mass of the block is m = 44 kg. Its initial speed is v0 = 1.3 m.s–1. The height h= 4.1 m. At the bottom, the path has a radius of curvature (fine circle) R = 3.4 m. At the bottom of the path, what is the force exerted on the ice by the path?

Homework Equations


K + V = constant

The Attempt at a Solution


Energy before it slides = after it slides:
mgh + 1/2 * m*v0^2 = 1/2 * m*v_final^2 (at the bottom h = 0 -> mgh=0)
44*9.8*4.1 + 1/2*44*1.3^2 = 1/2*44*v_final^2 -> v_final=9.06m/s

Circular motion:
Fc=ma=m*v_f^2/R=44*9.06^2/3.4=1062N upwards
W=mg=44*9.8=431.2N downwards
F_path=1062-431.2=630.8N upwards

Could someone suggest where I did wrong?
Thanks!:smile:
 
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paulxu11 said:
Circular motion:
Fc=ma=m*v_f^2/R=44*9.06^2/3.4=1062N upwards
W=mg=44*9.8=431.2N downwards
F_path=1062-431.2=630.8N upwards

Could someone suggest where I did wrong?
If W and F_path are in opposite directions, the magnitude of the net force is 680.8 N - 431.2 N, no?
 
paulxu11 said:
06^2/3.4=1062N upwards
W=mg=44*9.8=431.2N downwards
F_path=1062-431.2=630.8N upwards
This is a very common error.
Centripetal force is not an applied force. It is that component of the resultant which is perpendicular to the velocity.
So in ΣF=ma, the centripetal force is the ma on the right, and the perpendicular component of each applied force appears in the sum on the left.
 
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