Conservation of momentum and energy problem

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The problem involves a uniform rod with mass 2m and length l that can spin freely about a pivot point. A piece of clay with mass m collides with one end of the rod, causing the system to spin. The discussion centers on which physical quantities are conserved during this interaction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of various quantities, including total mechanical energy, linear momentum, angular momentum, gravitational potential energy, and kinetic energy. There are attempts to identify which of these are conserved, with some participants reflecting on the implications of inelastic collisions and energy transformations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the conservation of energy and momentum. Some have offered insights about the nature of energy conservation in the context of collisions, while others are reconsidering their initial assumptions about gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the collision being inelastic, which raises questions about the conservation of kinetic energy. Additionally, the setup of the problem involves a horizontal plane, which affects the interpretation of gravitational potential energy.

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Homework Statement


A uniform rod has a mass 2m and a length l, and it can spin freely in a horizontal plane about a pivot point O at the center of the rod. A piece of clay with mass m and velocity v hits
one end of the rod, and causes the rod-clay system to spin.
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After the collisions the rod and clay system
has an angular velocity omega about the pivot.

Which quantity/quantities:

I) total mechanical energy
II) total linear momentum
III) total angular momentum with respect to pivot point O
IV) total gravitational potential energy
V) total kinetic energy

is/are conserved in this process?

Possible solutions:

1. III and IV only
2. II and III only - tried, was wrong
3. II, III, IV and V only
4. II, III and IV only
5. II and V only
6. I, II and III only
7. I only
8. None of these
9. III, IV and V only
10. All of these

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried II and III only as a solution, but it was wrong. I'm thinking that mechanical energy, kinetic energy, and gravitational potential energy are not conserved due to the introduction of a piece of clay, but it seems I'm wrong in some area. Can anyone help point me in the right direction?
 
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Energy is always conserved.

If at any point in the system energy isn't conserved, it is either destroyed or created - is there something in the system that can do that? - is that even possible?

Linear momentum is always conserved.
 
Total gravitational potential energy is not conserved (because the piece of clay that was at top originally ends up at the bottom). So any answer with IV in it is wrong, I'm thinking.

EDIT: woops, I thought it was vertical, not horizontal. OK, GPE should remain constant then.

EDIT2: Also, isn't kinetic energy lost in inelastic collisions? Total energy is always conserved, but kinetic energy may be converted into other forms of energy.
 
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EDIT: I'm referring to overall energy levels. I haven't seen anything in the question about inelastic.

Regardless, the overall energy level is conserved, but I suppose if you look at individual forms:

Kinetic increases - from clay to rod is constant.

GPE is constant - assuming we would ignore the fact the clay would technically add mass to the system. If not, it increases.
 
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The answer was #1, III and IV only.
 

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