Constant k in Friedman Equation Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the constant k in the Friedmann equation, exploring its significance and the reasoning behind its designation as a constant. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and implications for cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that k represents the curvature of the universe and is constant for a given cosmological solution (closed, open, or flat).
  • Others argue that k can take values of 1, 0, or -1, but its constancy is a simplification due to degeneracies in spatial coordinate definitions.
  • A participant presents a mathematical formulation of the Friedmann equation, suggesting that k is tied to the present curvature parameter when the scale factor a=1.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of k, suggesting that rejecting the entire equation would require adopting unconventional theories.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of the derivation related to k and admits uncertainty about the specifics of their explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance and implications of k, with no consensus reached on its interpretation or relevance within the context of the Friedmann equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in deriving the Friedmann equation and the implications of treating k as a constant versus allowing it to vary.

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Hi, just a quick question...in the Friedman equation, k takes a value of either 1,0,-1.

But why is it a constant?

Thanks you for your time!
 
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wolfram said:
Hi, just a quick question...in the Friedman equation, k takes a value of either 1,0,-1.

But why is it a constant?

Thanks you for your time!
Well, there are a few ways to think about it. I'll do it by writing down the FRW metric.

First, consider the assumptions: we're assuming that there are observers for which the universe is homogeneous and isotropic. First, let's write down a completely general metric:

[tex]ds^2 = dt^2 + f(x,y,z,t)(dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)[/tex]

This is completely general because if there were a function in front of the time term, I could just perform a coordinate transformation to get rid of it. Now, let's start making use of those assumptions. The first assumption we can make use of is isotropy. This means that this function, whatever it is, cannot be a function of direction, so I can rewrite the metric as:

[tex]ds^2 = dt^2 + f(r, t)(dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)[/tex]

...where r is shorthand for [tex]\sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + z^2}[/tex], and not an actual coordinate here.

What remains, then, is to see what sorts of forms are valid for f(r,t) by enforcing the second condition, that of homogeneity. There are a couple of ways of doing this. First, we could make sure that if I perform a change of coordinates by setting [tex]\vec{r}' = \vec{r} + \delta\vec{r}[/tex], and leaving time unchanged, then the metric I should get must be identical. Or, alternatively, I could compute the spatial terms of the curvature tensor and ensure that they are independent of the spatial coordinates. Either will do.

For simplicity's sake, the first thing that we do here is re-write the dependence on time in terms of the expansion factor a(t). Again, this is completely general: all I'm doing is specifying that there exists an invertible function a(t) for some range in t which we can use to determine the coordinate t within that range. Then the function can be cast as f(a, r). It turns out that one choice that works here that is completely general within our assumptions is the following:

[tex]f(a, r) = \frac{a(t)}{1 - kr^2}[/tex]

So, there you have it. Note that I could get a different form if I'd made a(t) a different function of time, but it turns out that since the function is separable in a and r, this makes for the simplest way to write it.

(disclaimer: I haven't actually done this derivation in a while, so I might be misremembering the specifics. But I'm pretty sure this is accurate)
 
wolfram said:
But why is it [[itex]k[/itex]] a constant?

Chalnoth has offered you a sophisticated view; here is my very down-to-Earth view.

If I look at this form of the first Friedmann equation,

[tex]H^2 = \left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\right)^2 = \frac{8 \pi G}{3} \rho - \frac{kc^2}{a^2} + \frac{\Lambda c^2}{3}[/tex]

it tells me that [itex]k[/itex] is the present curvature parameter of the universe, since at present [itex]a=1[/itex]; hence [itex]k[/itex] is constant for a given solution, i.e. closed, open or flat.
 
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More importantly, the value of 'k' is irrelvant unless you reject the entire equation! I don't think you can do that without assuming the burden of some seriously 'out there' theories.
 
Chronos said:
More importantly, the value of 'k' is irrelvant unless you reject the entire equation! I don't think you can do that without assuming the burden of some seriously 'out there' theories.

Your statements do not seem to make sense to me. :confused: To which post/statement are you replying?
 
wolfram said:
Hi, just a quick question...in the Friedman equation, k takes a value of either 1,0,-1.

But why is it a constant?

Thanks you for your time!

It can be any value of a real number.But there's a degeneracy between k and redefinition of spatial coordinates.So we set k to be constant for simplicity.
 

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