Constant velocity variable force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of combining two unidirectional output shafts that rotate at varying velocities into a single output shaft. Participants explore potential mechanisms, such as fluid couplings and continuously variable transmissions (CVTs), while addressing the complexities involved in achieving this integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the possibility of combining two output shafts with varying velocities, suggesting a fluid coupling might be necessary.
  • Another participant references the CVT in the Toyota Prius, noting its design with two input shafts from an electric motor and a gasoline engine, which combine into one output shaft.
  • A question is raised regarding whether both power sources can operate simultaneously at different speeds through the same transmission, highlighting a potential limitation of the CVT system.
  • A participant shares enthusiasm about finding a video related to the topic, indicating interest in cone-based mechanisms for achieving the desired output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of the proposed idea. There are competing views regarding the operation of the CVT and whether it can effectively combine power from both sources simultaneously.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the mechanics of combining the two output shafts, including assumptions about the nature of the forces involved and the specific configurations of the proposed systems.

Green Zach
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Hello, i have an idea but i ran into a bit of a problem. I need two unidirectional output shafts rotating at unpredictable varying velocities (but predictable within a range) to be able to combine at one output shaft. I have come up with some ideas but they tend to be quite complicated... any suggestions?
 
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I don't even know if what you want is possible. At the least, I suspect that it would have to be some sort of fluid coupling.
 
The CVT (continuously variable transmission) in the Toyota Prius has two input shafts, one from the electric motor, and one from the gasoline engine, that combines the two in a planetary gear system into one output shaft. The transmission is not reversible, so the Prius can back up only with the electric motor.
 
Bob S said:
The CVT (continuously variable transmission) in the Toyota Prius has two input shafts, one from the electric motor, and one from the gasoline engine, that combines the two in a planetary gear system into one output shaft.

Isn't that a 'one or the other' situation, though? Can they actually both provide power at different speeds, at the same time, through the same tranny?
 
sweet :) thanks for the tip! I think i found something i can work with on youtube, totally awesome vid :D killer music lol. I was thinking along the lines of cones... I guess an idea like that can't be developed over the course of a car ride home tho haha.
 
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Danger said:
Isn't that a 'one or the other' situation, though? Can they actually both provide power at different speeds, at the same time, through the same tranny?
Both the internal combustion engine (ICE) and the electric motor (there are actually two, MG1 and MG2) drive the car through the CVT (continuously variable transmission. The ICE drives the planetary support gear, MG1 drives the sun gear, and MG2 is coupled to the ring gear. Read
http://prius.ecrostech.com/original/Understanding/ContinuouslyVariableTransmission.htm
 

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