Continuous process and equilibrium constant.

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The discussion centers on the production of methanol from a chemical plant using specific reactions and the implications of maintaining equilibrium conditions during the process. It is confirmed that the equilibrium conditions can be maintained in pipelines, allowing for theoretical yield calculations using the equilibrium constant. However, actual yields may be lower due to factors like catalyst effectiveness and residence time. Changing conditions for the separation of water and methanol could alter the equilibrium position, particularly if the reactions involved are exothermic or endothermic. Ultimately, the separation processes like condensation and distillation do not significantly affect yield due to the minimal impact on reaction rates.
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Assuming that we have a chemical plant which produces methanol through the following equations:
CH4 + H2O <--> CO + 3H2
CO + 2H2 <--> CH3OH
CO2 + 3H2 <--> CH3OH + H2O
I know that with specific pressure, temperature and flow rates, I can produce reactions with specific equilibrium constants. Are these conditions maintained until water and methanol are separated, even in the pipelines? I'm guessing that I can calculate the theoretical yield by applying the equilibrium constant. Is that correct? Thank you for your time.
Edit: Also, wouldn't I risk changing the position of equilibrium if I change the conditions to separate water and methanol?
 
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Are you referring to the conventional 2-step process using a catalyst for the final conversion of the syngas to methanol?
 
Yes, but that does not matter. I'm interested in the equilibrium constant manipulation.
 
goggles31 said:
Are these conditions maintained until water and methanol are separated, even in the pipelines?
I would think so, because the pipelines roughly maintain the same temperature and pressure.

goggles31 said:
I'm guessing that I can calculate the theoretical yield by applying the equilibrium constant. Is that correct?
Yes, but actual yield could be somewhat less. There's usually a compromise between catalyst, residence time, and yield.

goggles31 said:
Also, wouldn't I risk changing the position of equilibrium if I change the conditions to separate water and methanol?
Do you mean change the conditions of the reactions, or change the conditions of the water/methanol separation process?
 
The conditions of the reactions; condensation then distillation comes to mind, although it may not be the one used by the industry.
 
goggles31 said:
The conditions of the reactions; condensation then distillation comes to mind, although it may not be the one used by the industry.
I'm confused by this reply. Condensation and distillation are physical operations where no reactions take place.
 
Condensation is a cooling process. If we consider the third equation which is an exothermic reaction, the position of equilibrium would move to the right during condensation which would be ideal for this reaction since we are generating more methanol. But what if the reaction was actually endothermic? Wouldn't we be decreasing our potential output?
 
Now I understand. No, the condensation and distillation will have no effect on the yield because the rates of the reactions are insignificant. (That is why a catalyst is necessary for the final reaction step.)
 

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