Contradiction in Common BJT Configuration: KVL vs Early Effect

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the apparent contradiction in the common base configuration of a BJT (Bipolar Junction Transistor) when applying Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) in the context of the Early effect. Participants explore the relationship between the base-emitter voltage (VBE), the emitter current (IE), and the implications of the Early effect on these parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that KVL leads to the conclusion that IE is constant due to VBB, VBE, and RB being constants, questioning the contradiction with the Early effect.
  • Another participant argues that VBE is not strictly constant and that increasing VCE leads to an increase in collector current (IC), which affects IE.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if IE increases, it implies an increase in VBE, which would contradict the KVL equation.
  • One participant emphasizes that a slight increase in VBE is necessary to increase IE, challenging the notion that VBE remains unchanged regardless of IE.
  • Another participant introduces the Ebers-Moll model with Early corrections, suggesting that while IC increases due to the Early effect, the impact on IE is more nuanced and may lead to a decrease in IE.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between VBE and IE, with some asserting that they cannot both increase simultaneously without violating KVL, while others argue that a slight change in VBE is necessary for an increase in IE. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the PN junction law and the Ebers-Moll model, indicating that the discussion involves complex relationships that may depend on specific conditions and assumptions about the BJT's operation.

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Now as you can see in the picture a common base configuration of BJT.
The green markings in the picture are resistances. :p
My question is:
By KVL : VBB = VBE + IE*RB which means that IE is esentially a constant because
VBB , VBE, RB are constants.
Now If Voltage Vcb is increased Early effect states that depletion region
of CB junction penetrates deeper into the Base region. Which means charge gradient in base increases and hence IE increases .

What is the contradiction?
 

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There's no contradiction. Vbe isn't strictly constant. At constant current base, every BJT will show increasing colector current when Vce grows. Check any curve.
 
Yes, but if at all IE increases, it would imply that VBE has increased. That will not fit
the KVL equation.

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You need a higher Vbe (but very little) to increase Ie. It's the PN junction law. Perhaps you believe Vbe NEVER changes no matter the value of Ie. That's wrong.
 
No i do believe. But what my question is that the KVL eqn says:
VBB = VBE + IE*RB
Do you agree that VBB and RB are constants?
IE=function of VBE
Now if VBE and IE were to simultaneously increase it would violate KVL.


?
 
Gordianus said:
You need a higher Vbe (but very little) to increase Ie. It's the PN junction law. Perhaps you believe Vbe NEVER changes no matter the value of Ie. That's wrong.

No i do believe. But what my question is that the KVL eqn says:
VBB = VBE + IE*RB
Do you agree that VBB and RB are constants?
IE=function of VBE
Now if VBE and IE were to simultaneously increase it would violate KVL.


?
 
Hmm... trying my take on this.

I don't think there's a catastrophe. Early effect increases Ic (not Ie) and increases the forward gain. One expects Ie to increase with an increase on Ic, but let's see. Ebers-Moll with Early corrections has for Ie

Ie = i(Vbe)(a + 1/(Bf.a)) - a.i(-Vcb)
i(Vx) = Is . ( exp( Vx/Vt ) - 1 )
a = ( 1 + Vce/Va )

i(-Vcb) is very small in forward active mode, so

Ie = i(Vbe)(a + 1/(Bf.a))

Now, Vee = Vbe + Re . Ie, so we get

Vee = Vbe + Re.i(Vbe).(a+1/(Bf.a))

This is identical to good old diode equation

Vee = Vbe + Re*.i(Vbe)

where Re* = Re.a(1 + 1/(Bf.a2))

Therefore, the effect on Ie is the same as if Re increased by a factor "a" (plus a much smaller 2nd order factor)... so Ie should decrease, and because of the diode equation Vbe should decrease a tiny little bit too (albeit it will remain pretty much around 0.6-0.7).

At least that's my take.
 
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