Convergence of Series with Square Roots

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the series $$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} \left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}}\right)$$. Participants explore various methods to analyze the series, including the p-series test and telescoping series, while expressing differing opinions on the validity of these approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the p-series test, arguing that since p $$\le$$ 1 for both series, the whole series diverges.
  • Others challenge this approach, indicating that the subtraction of two divergent series leads to an undefined form ($\infty - \infty$).
  • One participant proposes writing out the series as a telescoping series to evaluate its convergence.
  • A later reply asserts that the original series converges and that the p-series test does not apply in this situation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation of the finite sum and its limit, concluding that the series converges to 1, but later retracts this assertion, stating the series diverges instead.
  • There is a correction regarding the notation of the series, clarifying that it should be $$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}}\right)$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the convergence of the series, with no consensus reached regarding the application of the p-series test or the final conclusion about convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with undefined forms when applying certain tests and the importance of correctly writing the series. There are also unresolved questions about the implications of the calculations presented.

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Determine whether the following series converge or diverge. You may use any appropriate test provided you explain your answer.

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} (\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}})$$

So it looks like this problem wants me to do telescoping series or something of that nature but I really want to avoid writing out those terms, can't I just split this into two sums and say this:

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \sum^{\infty}_{n = 1}\frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}}$$

Evaluating both of the series using p series test since, p $$\le$$ 1 for both series then the whole series diverges?

Is this correct?
 
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shamieh said:
Determine whether the following series converge or diverge. You may use any appropriate test provided you explain your answer.

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} (\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}})$$

So it looks like this problem wants me to do telescoping series or something of that nature but I really want to avoid writing out those terms,

If I were you, I would try to curb your distaste for writing out those terms. ;)

can't I just split this into two sums and say this:

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \sum^{\infty}_{n = 1}\frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}}$$

Evaluating both of the series using p series test since, p $$\le$$ 1 for both series then the whole series diverges?

Is this correct?

No, because you run into $\infty-\infty$ issues (that subtraction is undefined).
 
So I can't use p series at all? Are you sure about that?
 
shamieh said:
So I can't use p series at all? Are you sure about that?

Pretty sure! And I do think the original series converges, so the p series test simply doesn't apply in this situation.
 
So would you suggest I write this out as a telescoping series and see what I'm left with?
 
shamieh said:
Determine whether the following series converge or diverge. You may use any appropriate test provided you explain your answer.

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} (\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}})$$

So it looks like this problem wants me to do telescoping series or something of that nature but I really want to avoid writing out those terms, can't I just split this into two sums and say this:

$$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 1} \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \sum^{\infty}_{n = 1}\frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}}$$

Evaluating both of the series using p series test since, p $$\le$$ 1 for both series then the whole series diverges?

Is this correct?

I'd write down what the finite sum (up to N terms) would be and then seeing what happens as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} N \to \infty \end{align*}$

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 1}^N{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n+1}} \right) } &= \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \right) + \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \right) + \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{4}} \right) + \dots + \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{N}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{N + 1} } \right) \\ &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{1}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{N + 1}} \\ &= 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{N + 1}} \end{align*}$

and so

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}} \right) } &= \lim_{N \to \infty}\sum_{n = 1}^N{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}} \right) } \\ &= \lim_{N \to \infty} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{N + 1}} \right) \\ &= 1 - 0 \\ &= 1 \end{align*}$

The sum is clearly convergent (and actually can be evaulated).

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shamieh said:
Actually, no, the series diverges. So how are you getting converges? Looks like the p series will indeed work then?

Look.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=summation++++1/sqrt(n)+-+1/(sqrt(n)+++1)

It would help if you write out the series correctly. You have put $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{ n = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n} + 1} \right) } \end{align*}$ when it should be $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}} \right) } \end{align*}$. The series is convergent.
 
It would help if you write out the series correctly. You have put $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{ n = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n} + 1} \right) } \end{align*}$ when it should be $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}{ \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{n + 1}} \right) } \end{align*}$. The series is convergent.
Yes that would help now wouldn't it? :rolleyes:
 
Thank you for typing that out, I found that same result. Do I need to say that the series converges to 1 or just simply that it is convergent?
 
It depends on what the question is asking. If it asks if the series is convergent, just say it's convergent. If it asks what the sum converges to, say it.
 

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