Converting Between Component and Magnitude-Angle Notations

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The discussion revolves around converting between component notation and magnitude-angle notation in the context of vectors, specifically within a Cartesian coordinate system. Participants are exploring the relationships between the components of a vector and its magnitude and angle, as well as the use of trigonometric functions in these conversions.

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  • Participants are questioning the process of obtaining x and y components from magnitude-angle notation, particularly in different quadrants. There is also confusion regarding the use of arctan versus tan when determining angles from components.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the reasoning behind using arctan to find angles and the implications of vector components in various quadrants. Some guidance on the trigonometric relationships has been provided, but questions remain about the underlying concepts.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the definitions and applications of trigonometric functions in vector analysis, particularly in relation to their course materials.

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So I am in a Calculus based Physics course and had some questions about converting to and from the component notation and the magnitude-angle notation.

The first is if I am in the magnitude-angle notation, in a Cartesian cordiante system, will it always be ax=a cos(theta) to get the x component and ay=a sin(theta) to get the 7 component. I am asking because I am a little confused, let's day if the vector is ib the negative quadrant 4, do we sill do the same process.


Secondly when going from components to magnitude-angle notation, we use arctan(ay/ax) to get the angle theta. But what I don't get is why, the book just says tan(theta)=(ay/ax) and though I know enough since I have been told to use the arctan, I don't know why we use it or why the book doesn't say this,
 
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A vector can be written in component form as a=(ax,ay). The components of a vector can be found by constructing a right angled triangle and using trigonometry. As an example, consider the vector a at an angle θ from the horizontal. Now consider drawing a line from the end of the vector, down to the x axis. We now have a triangle involving the magnitude of a as the hypotenuse, and ax and ay, the magnitude of the components.

Using trigonometry on the triangle we can obtain ax=acosθ (where a is the magnitude of a) and tanθ=ay/ax.
 
I know that already, but why do we need to use a arctan instead of just the standard tan.
 
Llama77 said:
I know that already, but why do we need to use a arctan instead of just the standard tan.

arctan is the inverse operator of tan, otherwise written as tan-1. So, given the equation tanθ=ay/ax, taking the inverse tangent of each side, we obtain arctan(tanθ)=arctan(ay/ax) => θ= arctan(ay/ax).
 

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