Converting from sin to cos appropriately with phasors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion between sine and cosine functions using phase shifts, particularly in the context of phasors in transmission line problems. Participants explore the conditions under which adding or subtracting a phase shift of pi/2 is appropriate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about when to add pi/2 versus subtracting pi/2 for converting sine to cosine, noting that both seem sufficient but their professor disagrees.
  • Another participant provides the mathematical relationship that sin(x + pi/2) equals cos(x), implying a specific direction for conversion.
  • There is a suggestion that providing a specific problem could lead to better assistance, emphasizing the importance of showing work in homework-related queries.
  • A later reply reiterates the confusion and seeks further clarification on the implications of adding versus subtracting pi/2, highlighting that one conversion inverts the signal.
  • Another participant questions whether the professor's statement was misinterpreted, suggesting that the relevance of phase shifts can vary depending on the context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of adding versus subtracting pi/2 for conversions, indicating that there is no consensus on the matter. Some participants seek clarification while others provide mathematical relationships without resolving the underlying confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of phase shifts in relation to specific examples, which may influence the understanding of when to apply each conversion method. There is an indication that the discussion may depend on particular contexts or definitions that are not fully explored.

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Difficulty understanding when to add pi/2 vs when to subtract pi/2.
My transmissions line class often features problems where the voltage is expressed as a sin, not a cos. Obviously a phase shift of pi/2 is sufficient to convert between the two. However, I have trouble understanding when adding pi/2 is appropriate as opposed to subtracting pi/2. As per my understanding, both should be sufficient to achieve the desired conversion, but my professor says otherwise. While I understand that the angle should reflect the position of the phasor in the complex domain, I still feel as though I am missing something. Could anyone offer a concrete clarification of this matter?
 
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Can you be more specific? Note that:
$$\sin(x +\frac{\pi}2) = \cos(x)$$
 
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You might get better help if you post an actual problem, with full details, and ask that question. For any homework-type problem, you need to show as much of your own work as possible. There is a specific format for homework-type problems.
 
wellmoisturizedfrog said:
I still feel as though I am missing something. Could anyone offer a concrete clarification of this matter?
##sin(\Theta - \frac{\pi}{2}) = -cos(\Theta)##
##sin(\Theta + \frac{\pi}{2}) = cos(\Theta)##
etc.

Can you explain a bit more about what you are unsure of?
 
wellmoisturizedfrog said:
TL;DR Summary: Difficulty understanding when to add pi/2 vs when to subtract pi/2.

However, I have trouble understanding when adding pi/2 is appropriate as opposed to subtracting pi/2. As per my understanding, both should be sufficient to achieve the desired conversion, but my professor says otherwise.
One will convert sin() to cos(), the other will do the same, but will invert the signal, by the net phase shift of pi.
 
wellmoisturizedfrog said:
TL;DR Summary: Difficulty understanding when to add pi/2 vs when to subtract pi/2.

but my professor says otherwise.
I wonder if he really said that or if you mis- interpreted him (i.e. just in one particular example). The 'timing of events (phases) can sometimes be very relevant but not always.
 

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