Converting partial derivative to ordinary in an integral

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The discussion centers around the conversion of a partial derivative to an ordinary derivative within the context of an integral. Participants explore the implications of this conversion, particularly when the function involves multiple variables but is evaluated with respect to a single variable.

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  • One participant questions how a partial derivative can be treated as an ordinary derivative in the context of an integral, noting that a partial derivative implies dependence on multiple variables.
  • Another participant explains that integration is the inverse of differentiation, suggesting that the conversion is valid when considering the function as dependent solely on one variable.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the partial derivative treats other variables as constants, which allows for the equivalence in the integral form when focusing on a single variable.
  • Some participants propose that the context of the integral allows for this change, as the focus is only on the variable of integration.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the conversion of partial to ordinary derivatives, with some agreeing on the reasoning behind the equivalence in this specific case, while others remain uncertain about the implications of treating other variables as constants.

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The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of this conversion in different contexts or the potential limitations of applying this reasoning universally.

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Hi,

I find my professor doing this a lot of times, here is it:

∫{ ∂(f[x])/∂x } dx = ∫d(f[x])

How is that possible?
 
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Integration is the inverse of differentiation and vice versa.
Suppose you have a function f(x).
Take the derivative of the function: d/dx(f(x)) = df(x)/dx.
By taking the 'antiderivative' or the integral, you end up with f(x) again, which is exactly what your professor is doing.

For the rest, there is not really a difference between a partial and an ordinary differentiation operator, except that the ordinary differentiation just means that there is only one independent variable x, and with partial differentiation you can have more.
 
Thanks, but...

That's exactly my question. You see, the idea of having a partial derivative in itself means
that f is not only a function of (x) but also of another variable.

That's why I am wondering how that operator was changed to ordinary derivative.

Is it possibly because only in this integral we are interested in f as a function of x only, and
for that reason we can, only here, change the partial to ordinary derivative ?
 
The partial derivative of a function of several variables treats the other variables as constants so
[tex]\int \frac{\partial f(x,y,z,...)}{\partial x}dx= \int df(x,y,z,...)[/tex]
follows from
[tex]\int \frac{df}{dx}dx= \int df[/tex]
for functions of a single variable.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The partial derivative of a function of several variables treats the other variables as constants so
[tex]\int \frac{\partial f(x,y,z,...)}{\partial x}dx= \int df(x,y,z,...)[/tex]
follows from
[tex]\int \frac{df}{dx}dx= \int df[/tex]
for functions of a single variable.

Thanks,

So, because we are interested only in x, then the partial, in this case, is equivalent to the ordinary derivative, hence the change.

Thanks everyone for your help, appreciated :)
 

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