Converting resources into technology

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the basic resources required to create various technologies, including radio communication, monitors, computer chips, freezers, telephones, infrared or night vision devices, and electricity. Participants explore the complexity of resource requirements and the feasibility of recreating technologies in a hypothetical future scenario.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definition of "resources" and whether it includes only raw materials or also the infrastructure needed to produce technologies.
  • One participant suggests that basic resources for creating technologies could be limited to metal, plastic, and glass, along with electricity.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that a microchip could be made from just those materials, indicating the complexity involved in its production.
  • There is a discussion about the extensive list of materials required for modern appliances, emphasizing the diversity of materials beyond just broad categories like "metal" or "plastic."
  • One participant reflects on the difficulty of compiling a comprehensive list of resources needed for technology, likening it to the variety of fruits.
  • A later reply mentions the importance of having access to information and resources to recreate technologies, citing examples like building a Voltaic pile and the need for various materials and tools.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the ability to recreate past technologies in an apocalyptic future due to a lack of information.
  • Some participants reference literature that discusses historical technologies and methods, suggesting that there is information available for those interested in old tech.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the definition of resources and the feasibility of recreating technologies. There is no consensus on the specific materials needed or the complexity involved in producing modern technologies.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in understanding the full range of materials and processes required for technology creation, as well as the dependency on definitions and assumptions about what constitutes a resource.

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Given the know how and tools to do so, what basic resources would be required to create the following technologies:

Radio communication.
Monitor.
Computer chip.
Freezer.
Telephone.
Infrared or Night Vision.
Electricity.

Please answer the ones you can and if I have more, I'll post them here. Thanks people. :cool:
 
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Didn't think anyone would know.
 
Electricity is not a technology...

The rest... you're talking about hundreds of "basic resources". If you're talking about the actaul infrastructure to build them, then you're talking about thousands probably.
 
resources? What do you mean?
 
What I meant by electricity is what would you need to produce it?

As for the rest, I am going to say metal, plastic and glass.

What I mean by resources is what I just said.

So if I had those 3 things plus electricity, I could build anyone of those things.
 
e-realmz said:
So if I had those 3 things plus electricity, I could build anyone of those things.

You really think a microchip is made out of "metal, plastic, and glass"?
 
A resource is don't resticted to raw materials to make something...
 
Pengwuino said:
You really think a microchip is made out of "metal, plastic, and glass"?

Exactly! Now can someone answer my questions please? :confused:
 
e-realmz said:
Exactly! Now can someone answer my questions please? :confused:

Uhm... to list all the things that go into almost any modern day appliance or technology would probably take an hour simply to list everything and probably months to find all the information needed to compile that list.

When you say somethings made out of "plastic" or "metal", it's like saying that you eat "fruit". Well there's many many different kinds of fruits. I could be eating an orange, a plum, an apple, a cherry, etc etc. The list goes on and on. If you say somethings made out of "metal"... well just look at the periodic table. There's a place to start; copper, aluminum, gold, silver. Then think of alloys, different metals mixed with each other! Then of course, there's metals that are treated with different chemicals that are just tremendous cocktails of other chemicals, etc etc.

Take this remote control i have in my hand...

it has plastic... there's probably a fair number of materials that went into actually making the plastic. Let's see, here's some batteries. Now since batteries don't just grow wild, we would need to break that down. How many substances went into the battery acid? How many substances went into each of those substances that went into the battery acid? Of course there's different types of metals and alloys in there, probably dozens. This spring inside the battery compartment may be the only thing made out of any pure metal. Once i open up this remote control, I'm going to be staring at the combined form of hundreds of different resources. It's really nothing you'll ever be able to find out unless you do it yourself and take the months of research to find out.
 
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Ok thanks. Now I know that if we were ever in a distant apocalyptic future, we would not be able to re-create many of the things we used in the past due to pure lack of information alone.. But I won't stop there. I'll just have to make up ways to recreate those things.
 
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Actually, there's quite a lot of information out there. You just have to know how to use it and have the ability and resources/materiels. Consider what you would need to build a simple Voltaic pile, insulators such as glass or ceramics, acid, clean water, metals such as copper or gold. Where and how are you going to get them? If you have to get them totally from scratch then that means you'll have to have a source for ore, sand/clay, chemicals etc and the tools to work them. You'll have to build the tools to build the tools. Reminds me of an old scifi story "Spacehounds of The IPC" I think. Guy crashes his spaceship and has to rebuild from scratch. only took him a year or two. Really have to suspend the disbelief for that one.

If you're really interested in old tech and methods check out the Foxfire books, anything on the history of the Industrial Revolution. Sprague De Camps "Ancient Engineers" is good as well.
 

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