Converting Second Order ODE to Hypergeometric Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transformation of a linear second order ordinary differential equation (ODE) into a hypergeometric function form. Participants explore the identification of singular points and the necessary transformations to achieve this goal, with a focus on the implications of regular and irregular singular points.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that any linear second order ODE with at most three regular singular points can be transformed into a hypergeometric function.
  • Another participant identifies potential singular points at ##x=0## and ##x=-\frac{E}{m}##, and questions the nature of the singularity at ##x=\infty##.
  • A participant notes that while ##x=\infty## is a singular point, it is not regular, raising concerns about its applicability in the transformation process.
  • One participant provides the form of the hypergeometric equation and suggests transforming the singular points of the original equation to match those of the hypergeometric equation.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the ability to match the original equation to the hypergeometric form due to the irregular singular point at ##x=\infty##.
  • A participant presents a derived equation after attempting the suggested transformation, indicating it does not match the expected hypergeometric form.
  • One participant questions the consistency of units in the derived equation, suggesting a re-evaluation of the transformation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of transforming the given ODE into hypergeometric form, particularly concerning the implications of the irregular singular point at ##x=\infty##. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the transformation's success.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of identifying singular points accurately and the potential complications arising from irregular singularities. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful transformations and simplifications, but specific limitations in the original equation's structure are not fully addressed.

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I believe it is the case that any linear second order ode with at most 3 regular singular points can be transformed into a hypergeometric function. I am trying to solve the following equation for a(x):
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where E, m, v, k_{y} are all constants and I believe turning it into hypergeometric form will help me solve it. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Have you located all the singular points? Just a quick look, ##x=0## and ##x= -\frac{E}{m}## look like candidates. What about at ##x=\infty##? It would really help to reduce and simplify the constants.
 
Paul Colby said:
Have you located all the singular points? Just a quick look, ##x=0## and ##x= -\frac{E}{m}## look like candidates. What about at ##x=\infty##? It would really help to reduce and simplify the constants.
It appears that ##x=\infty## is a singular point but it is not regular so I am not sure if we can use it here. Nevertheless it should still be possible to turn it into hypergeometric form right?
Also I am not sure what you mean by reducing and simplifying the constants here, I do not see anything that can be further cleaned up.
 
Okay, so the hypergeometric equation is,

##
z(1-z)\frac{d^2w}{dz^2} +[c-(a+b+1)z]\frac{dw}{dz} - abw = 0
##

which has three regular singular points in the extended ##z##-plane. These are at ##z=0,1,\infty##. For starters you should transform your equations singular points to the same places. Two out out of three are already where they need to be. The last may be done by the change of variable,

##
z = -\frac{m}{E}x
##

if I've done things correctly. After this is done and you've multiplied through by the ##z(1-z)## factor, if you get the hypergeometric equation, you're done. If not, then your ##a(x)## isn't a hypergeometric function. That said, it may still be related to one with the right transformations.
 
Right, but for my equation, x = ##\infty## isn't a regular singular point so are we still able to match it to that equation?
Paul Colby said:
Okay, so the hypergeometric equation is,

##
z(1-z)\frac{d^2w}{dz^2} +[c-(a+b+1)z]\frac{dw}{dz} - abw = 0
##

which has three regular singular points in the extended ##z##-plane. These are at ##z=0,1,\infty##. For starters you should transform your equations singular points to the same places. Two out out of three are already where they need to be. The last may be done by the change of variable,

##
z = -\frac{m}{E}x
##

if I've done things correctly. After this is done and you've multiplied through by the ##z(1-z)## factor, if you get the hypergeometric equation, you're done. If not, then your ##a(x)## isn't a hypergeometric function. That said, it may still be related to one with the right transformations.
 
I don't think it's likely. I'd have to do the work to find out. This is your question. If you transform the equation as suggested, what's the result?
 
Paul Colby said:
I don't think it's likely. I'd have to do the work to find out. This is your question. If you transform the equation as suggested, what's the result?
I get
##\begin{align}
&z(1-z)\frac{d^2a}{dz^2}+(z-2)\frac{da}{dz} + \frac{1}{4m^2v^2z}(4E^2m^2+m^2v^2-4E^2m^2z+4Ek_{y}mv^2z+m^2v^2z\nonumber \\
&-4E^2m^2z^2-4E^2k_{y}^2v^2z^2+4E^2m^2z^3+4E^2k_{y}^2v^2z^3)a(z) = 0 \nonumber
\end{align}
##
which I guess is not the form we wanted.
 
No, this is clearly not the hypergeometric equation. If I assume ##E## is energy, ##m## as mass, ##v## as velocity, the units between terms seems off. Oh, I'm also assuming this is an equation arising from a physics problem. I'd recheck your work.
 

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