Convolution Inverse: Family of Functions Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of convolution inverses in the context of functions and distributions, particularly focusing on the conditions under which a function can have a convolution inverse that results in the delta function. Participants explore the relationship between convolution, the Laplace transform, and the Fourier transform, questioning the applicability of these transforms to different families of functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the Laplace transform is defined for a function, the convolution inverse can be calculated in the Laplace domain, with the caveat that for causal functions, the inverse will be anti-causal.
  • Others question the relevance of the Laplace transform, particularly in relation to functions defined over the whole real axis, where the Laplace transform is not applicable.
  • A participant suggests that the convolution inverse of a function of a real variable cannot itself be a function of a real variable, citing the nature of the delta function as a distribution.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of writing equations involving the Fourier transform, with some participants noting that the assumption that the Fourier transform of a function is never zero is crucial for the analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of assuming that the Fourier transform defines an isomorphism, with a participant pointing out that the inverse of the Fourier transform of a function may not correspond to a valid function.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for caution, suggesting that not all functions in L² have a Fourier transform in the conventional sense, and that deeper investigation is warranted.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Laplace and Fourier transforms to the problem of convolution inverses. There is no consensus on the conditions under which a convolution inverse can be defined, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between these mathematical tools and the properties of functions and distributions.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the Laplace and Fourier transforms, as well as the conditions under which these transforms are applicable to various families of functions. The discussion highlights the complexity of working with distributions and the need for careful consideration of assumptions.

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Hello,
I noticed that it is possible to define an inverse for the convolution operator so that a function f convolved by its convolution-inverse [tex]f^{\ast-1}[/tex] gives the delta-function: [tex]f \ast f^{\ast-1} = \delta[/tex]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution#Convolution_inverse

Which is the family of functions that admits this convolution inverse?
 
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mnb96 said:
Hello,
I noticed that it is possible to define an inverse for the convolution operator so that a function f convolved by its convolution-inverse [tex]f^{\ast-1}[/tex] gives the delta-function: [tex]f \ast f^{\ast-1} = \delta[/tex]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution#Convolution_inverse

Which is the family of functions that admits this convolution inverse?

As long as the Laplace transform is defined for the function then you can calculate the convolution inverse by simply taking the inverse in the Laplace domain. Of course for a causal function the convolution inverse will be anti-causal.
 
...ok, thanks for the hint.
could we generalize more? Namely, for which family of functions is the Laplace transform defined? for all the functions in [tex]L^2(\Re)[/tex]?
 
I am sorry but I have to resume this thread.

The answer I received was not clear, and I don't see what the Laplace Transform has to do with the problem. I am besides interested in the whole real-axis, where the Laplace transform is not even defined.

Can anyone actually show how to obtain a convolution inverse for a function f, such that [tex]f \ast f^{\ast-1} = \delta[/tex]?
 
If [tex]f[/tex] and [tex]g[/tex] are functions of a real variable, then so is their convolution. Since [tex]\delta[/tex] is not (it is a Schwarz distribution, not a function of a real variable), the "convolution inverse" of a function of a real variable is never a function of a real variable.

Non-function example: The distribution [tex]\delta(x-c)[/tex] is called a "unit mass at [tex]c[/tex]". The convolution inverse of the unit mass at [tex]c[/tex] is the unit mass at [tex]-c[/tex].

Further non-examples: if [tex]\mu[/tex] and [tex]\nu[/tex] are measures on the line, then the support of the convolution is the sum of the supports (added as sets). So in order for the convolution of two measures to be [tex]\delta[/tex], both components must have one-point support. So even in this case, the only examples are essentially the ones given above.

We could try to go to more complicated distributions, dipoles and so on. But why?
 
OK, so what happens if I write:

[tex]f\ast f' = \delta[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\ \ast f'\} = \mathcal{F}\{\delta\}[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\} \mathcal{F}\{f'\} = 1[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f'\} = 1 / \mathcal{F}\{f\}[/tex]

[tex]f' = \mathcal{F}^{-1}\{ 1 / \mathcal{F}\{f\} \}[/tex]

Obviously we have to assume that [tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\}[/tex] is never zero, which for exaple happens when f is a Gaussian.
Why things seem to work in the Fourier domain but not in the time domain? Shouldn't the Fourier Transform define an isomorphism?
 
mnb96 said:
OK, so what happens if I write:

[tex]f\ast f' = \delta[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\ \ast f'\} = \mathcal{F}\{\delta\}[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\} \mathcal{F}\{f'\} = 1[/tex]

[tex]\mathcal{F}\{f'\} = 1 / \mathcal{F}\{f\}[/tex]

[tex]f' = \mathcal{F}^{-1}\{ 1 / \mathcal{F}\{f\} \}[/tex]

Obviously we have to assume that [tex]\mathcal{F}\{f\}[/tex] is never zero, which for exaple happens when f is a Gaussian.
Why things seem to work in the Fourier domain but not in the time domain? Shouldn't the Fourier Transform define an isomorphism?

if [tex]G = \mathcal{F}(g)[/tex] is the Fourier transform of a function, then [tex]1/G[/tex] is not the Fourier transform of a function.

For example: [tex]G[/tex] goes to [tex]0[/tex] at [tex]\infty[/tex], but [tex]1/G[/tex] doesn't.
 
Be very careful, you are going too fast.

Functions on [tex]\mathcal{L}_2[/tex] need not have to have an Fourier transform in the usual sense. You have to comfort yourself with the extension of [tex]\mathcal{L}_1\cap \mathcal{L}_2[/tex]

Things are not that trivial when it comes to these things. I would suggest you dig into deeper instead of fast conclusions
 

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