Cooper pairs and Superconductors

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The discussion revolves around the role of Cooper pairs in superconductivity, specifically how their quantum state influences the phenomenon. Participants explore the implications of electron pairing and the nature of these pairs in relation to superconducting behavior, avoiding complex mathematical explanations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that electrons are fermions and cannot occupy the same quantum state due to the Pauli exclusion principle, but when they form Cooper pairs, they behave as bosons and can occupy the same state.
  • It is suggested that having many Cooper pairs in the same quantum state prevents scattering to higher energy states, which is linked to the absence of resistance in superconductors.
  • One participant notes that while most superconductors are in a singlet-spin state (total spin of 0), triplet-spin state superconductors are rare.
  • Another participant clarifies that the pairing of electrons still results in a bosonic state, even if the total spin is 0, maintaining the arguments about resistance and superconductivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the basic principles of Cooper pairs and their role in superconductivity, but there are nuances regarding the types of spin states and their prevalence in superconductors that remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the types of superconductors or the implications of different spin states on superconductivity.

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How are Cooper pairs being in the same quantum state responsible for superconductivity? Why does them being in the same quantum state matter? Please no complex mathematics, I don't understand that stuff :)
 
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A simple answer is that electrons, being spin-1/2, are fermions and obey the Pauli exclusion principle. So that no two of them can be in the same quantum state. When the electrons pair up, the pair has spin-1. The pair is then a boson, which means that many of the pairs can be in the same quantum state. In fact, it is energetically more favorable for them to be in the same quantum state. When a macroscopic number of pairs are in the same quantum state, it becomes difficult for one of the pairs to scatter out of this state to a higher energy state, because it has to scatter to a state with an energy far above the common state they are all in. So scattering does not occur. Since electron scattering is the source of resistance in conductors, this means that the electrons flow without resistance.
 
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phyzguy said:
A simple answer is that electrons, being spin-1/2, are fermions and obey the Pauli exclusion principle. So that no two of them can be in the same quantum state. When the electrons pair up, the pair has spin-1.

Just be aware that triplet-spin state superconductors are rather rare. Most of the superconductors are singlet-spin state, i.e. total spin of 0.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Just be aware that triplet-spin state superconductors are rather rare. Most of the superconductors are singlet-spin state, i.e. total spin of 0.
Zz.
Thanks for the clarification. So @Ben Brain, ZapperZ is saying that I should have said, "When the electrons pair up, the pair has spin-0". Spin-0 is still even spin, so still a boson, so everything else I said still applies.
 

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