Correcting Constants in Convolution of Fourier Transforms

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The discussion revolves around the convolution of Fourier transforms, specifically examining the constants involved in the equation relating the Fourier transform of a convolution to the product of the Fourier transforms of the individual functions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to Fourier analysis.

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  • One participant attempts to prove the convolution of the Fourier Transform, stating a specific equation involving constants.
  • Another participant questions the definition of the Fourier Transform being used, prompting a clarification of the definition.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about handling the left-hand side (LHS) of the equation.
  • Multiple participants discuss the definition of convolution and its implications for the Fourier Transform.
  • There are suggestions to change variables and the order of integration to progress towards the right-hand side (RHS) of the equation.
  • One participant notes that even after changing the order of integration, they do not see how to arrive at the correct result.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of changing the differential when making substitutions in the integrals.
  • There is a reiteration of the relationship between the Fourier transforms of the functions and the convolution, with a focus on the constants involved.
  • One participant points out the need to check the constants again to ensure the correct number of factors of \(2\pi\) are present in the equation.

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Participants express differing views on the correct handling of constants in the convolution of Fourier transforms, and there is no consensus on the resolution of the mathematical steps involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct formulation of the equation.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in their current understanding, particularly regarding the treatment of constants and the steps needed to derive the correct relationship between the Fourier transforms and the convolution.

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I am trying to prove the convolution of the Fourier Transform
$$
(\widehat{f\star g})(\xi) = 2\pi\hat{f}(\xi)\hat{g}(\xi)
$$
 
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With which definition of the Fourier Transform are you working?
 
$$
\hat{f}(\xi) = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-i\xi x}dx
$$
 
So, what have you got so far?
 
Ackbach said:
So, what have you got so far?
$$
2\pi\hat{f}(\xi)\hat{g}(\xi) = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-i\xi x}g(x)e^{-i\xi x}dx
$$
 
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And what do you have for the LHS?
 
Ackbach said:
And what do you have for the LHS?

Not really sure on how to handle the LHS
 
Well, what is the definition of convolution?
 
Ackbach said:
Well, what is the definition of convolution?
It isn't the definition of convolution that is throwing me for a loop but the transform of it.
$$
(f\star g)(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)ds
$$
 
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dwsmith said:
It isn't the definition of convolution that is throwing me for a loop but the transform of it.
$$
(f\star g)(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)ds
$$

Great. So the result of this convolution is a function of $x$, correct? Let's say that

$$h(x):=(f\star g)(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)\,ds.$$

Now, can you write down the Fourier Transform of $h$?
 
  • #11
Ackbach said:
Great. So the result of this convolution is a function of $x$, correct? Let's say that

$$h(x):=(f\star g)(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)\,ds.$$

Now, can you write down the Fourier Transform of $h$?

$$
\hat{h}(\xi)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}h(x)e^{-i\xi x}dx = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)ds\right)e^{-i\xi x}dx
$$
but how do I get to the RHS now?
 
  • #12
I would try putzing around with a change of variable, say, $z=x-s$, and then maybe changing the order of integration. See what that gets you.
 
  • #13
Ackbach said:
I would try putzing around with a change of variable, say, $z=x-s$, and then maybe changing the order of integration. See what that gets you.
$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)ds\right)e^{-i\xi x}dx=
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(z)ds\right)e^{-i\xi (z+s)}dx
$$
Even with a change of integration order, I don't see how it will get to the right result.
 
  • #14
If $z=x-s$, then $x=z+s$. Don't forget to change the differential as well.
 
  • #15
dwsmith said:
$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)ds\right)e^{-i\xi x}dx=
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(z)ds\right)e^{-i\xi (z+s)}dx
$$
Even with a change of integration order, I don't see how it will get to the right result.
\begin{alignat}{3}
\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(z)ds\right)e^{-i\xi (z+s)} d(z + s) & = &
\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)e^{-i\xi s} ds\right)\left(\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}g(z)e^{-i\xi z}d(z + s)\right)\\
& = & \hat{f}(\xi)\left(\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}g(z)e^{-i\xi z}d(z + s)\right)
\end{alignat}
 
  • #16
Try this instead:

\begin{align*}\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)\,ds\right)e^{-i\xi x}\,dx&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)e^{-i\xi x}\,ds\,dx\\
&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)e^{-i\xi x}\,dx\,ds\\
&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(z)e^{-i\xi (z+s)}\,dz\,ds.
\end{align*}

Where can you go from here?
 
  • #17
Ackbach said:
Try this instead:

\begin{align*}\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)\,ds\right)e^{-i\xi x}\,dx&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)e^{-i\xi x}\,ds\,dx\\
&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(x-s)e^{-i\xi x}\,dx\,ds\\
&=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(s)g(z)e^{-i\xi (z+s)}\,dz\,ds.
\end{align*}

Where can you go from here?
But now we have
$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\hat{f}(\xi)\hat{g}(\xi) = (\widehat{f\star g})(\xi)
$$
 
  • #18
dwsmith said:
But now we have
$$
\frac{1}{2\pi}\hat{f}(\xi)\hat{g}(\xi) = (\widehat{f\star g})(\xi)
$$

Check your constants again. To get two Fourier Transforms on the RHS, you need two factors of $2\pi$ in the denominator. How many do you actually have?
 

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